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Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic radiation from ionized air - "electrostatic" cooling

rvanspaa
Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:17:07 -0700

In reply to  David Jonsson's message of Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:03:58 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
>I don't count vibrational since they aren't excited at these temperatures. I
>have clarified this in the file now. I also describe the rotational as
>½m<v>^2. That make a total of five. As I have only used rotation around one
>axis I have taken the energy to be 1/5 of the total.

I still don't understand why you take 1/5 rather than 2/5, but then that's your
decision.

>
>Hope to be able to update the calculus with the magnetic moment sometime.
>
>Help to know about how the charges are distributed on an gas ion would help.

I suspect that because the atoms are equal, the charge oscillates back and forth
across the molecule.

>I also need info on how to ionize air and what typical ionization levels
>are.


The degree of ionization can be determined with the Saha equation
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saha_equation) as Fred Sparber has pointed out
many times. :)

Ionization energies of specific types of molecules can be found at:

http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/form-ser.html.en-us.en

>
>One thing I would like to include is radiation from currents in air due to
>many molecules oscillating together. i don't know how to do this right now.

Even within an air current, oscillations will still have random phase and
direction, so I don't think air currents are going to make any difference.
(Besides, the velocity of an air current is trivial relative to the velocities
of individual molecules).

>As far as I know from gas dynamics it is very rare for many molecules close
>to each other to move in the same direction.

Precisely.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

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