Jones Beene
Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:20:48 -0700
-- Michael Foster wrote: > Horace Heffner: Just about every article about Kanzius refers to the use of colloidal gold. > MF: I haven't followed this story, but I wonder if they've tried colloidal silver. It's way cheaper and very easy to make. My supply of "Silver Biotics" brand of colloidal silver was sacrificed to the cause yesterday, and it did not have any positive effect over and above salt water. That was using the Stiffler type exciter circuit at ~one watt. It should be noted that this particular silver supplement is a very weak solution, and a much stronger concentration should be tried. Operating under the assumption that a normal candle flame puts out ~35-40 watts of heat, a rough guesstimate of the best result so far is amazing. This was done by a student who is going to record it all into a YouTube video: and the heat he produced from a one+ watt DC input (to the exciter board) could be as much as 20 watts! By comparison, my guesstimate of the Kanzius video is a 100 watt flame from 200 watts of RF input. Don't get excited yet however. This was using "powdered catalytic converter" innards and the output is guesswork with no calorimetry- and yes, that material has entrained carbon, so it is really meaningless as to a true energy balance thus far.... except that the big attraction is "glowing" results ... as well it should be if carbon is contributing. Here is the main point for those trying to understand the M.O. and the 'big picture', and I will try to expand this in another post. This is NOT a hydrogen flame, at least it is not mostly hydrogen (which would 'pop' once and then self-extinguish due to the high flame speed. The flame itself is orange-yellow, like that shown in the Kanzius video - indicating sodium and maybe chlorine ? (but NO greenish color seen). BTW doing this demands good ventilation even at low power. The fact that the flame could be higher in Na ions but possibly less high in Cl is curious, since Cl is a gas and naturally you would expect more of it in such a situation, due to the volatility. That is, if the ionic bond of salt is being broken in the liquid, due to RF resonance. What happens to the Cl? Does it immediately form hydrochloric acid and stay put? If so, that could part of the unusual dynamics of this experiment, and another reason why Dr Roy was excited by the results. He is a renowned scientist and not prone to the kind of emotional enthusiasm which he has demonstrated. In the (admittedly unlikely) event that there is actually a real gainful energy anomaly - it would be easily feasible to redesign a totally closed-system where everything including the exhaust gas with its sodium content, is recycled back into the liquid. This closed cycle might be the wise thing to do now anyway. If an inert but active catalyst can be found, this could be most interesting. With high concentration gold or silver colloid, however, it could get expensive. "We're not in Kansas any more, Toto" Jones PS "Kanzius" is apparently pronounced like the state: "Kansas"