Stephen Cooke <stephen_coo...@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Jed, I wonder if I'm missing something? You said a the 1 MW ecat plant > would cook people in the warehouse? I'm for sure no boiler expert but I > have recently checked on line and if we look at other boilers with other > heat sources it seems that steam boilers of MW size are rather typical for > industrial applications and are often accommodated in warehouses. The sizes > also seem to me to be comparable to the e-cat. >
I think the e-cat is smaller than the boilers you showed in the linked document. It is a lot smaller than this 1 MW boiler as well: http://rsbiomass.com/products/urbas-biomass-plant/biomass-boiler-plant/ The smaller the unit, the more intense the heat inside the shipping container. Regarding this analysis, I am not capable of doing it either. This is what I heard from an HVAC engineer who examined the photos of the reactor and the warehouse. I cannot describe this in detail, because the analysis is over my head, and I do not have the exact numbers. Here is the gist of it: In a factory using this much process heat, you need large ventilation equipment, which is not in evidence. Without that, the room would overheat enough to kill the occupants. A typical use of process heat is for a dry cleaning shop, which uses 10 kW. So this is enough heat to operate 100 dry cleaning machines, which is far more equipment than you can fit into this building. There are factories with 100 times bigger equipment than a dry cleaning shop has, such as carpet mills, but those factories are big! The inside of the shipping container would be like an oven, even with the doors wide open. I believe Rossi claims he spent hours inside it. The individual generators are wrapped in insulation, but there would still be hundreds of kilowatts of waste heat from them. It cannot all transfer to the water. Standing inside it would be like sitting on top of a conventional gas or electrically fired 1 MW heater, like the one you pointed to here: http://www.bosch-industrial.com/files/BR_IndustrialBoiler_Beginners_en.pdf I have been within 10 feet of an 80 kW industrial heater in a factory. You cannot get any closer than that. It is like standing next to an open fire. If you were thrown against it or held above it, you would be scalded to death in no time. I do not think 1 MW is possible. These considerations reduce the possible amount of excess heat, but they do not rule out excess heat. As I recall the contract called for 6 times input. This is still plausible, I suppose. However, the analysis of data by I.H. and by me (with a smaller dataset) rule that out for other reasons. I didn't get the impression from those sites that they are too hot for the > warehouse. > I have been in factories and in ship engine rooms with equipment on this scale. The spaces are much larger, or in the case of the engine rooms, the ventilation equipment is huge. Also, operating industrial equipment that uses this much heat makes a lot of noise and commotion. I am sure that warehouse is not zoned for anything like 100 dry cleaning machines or a carpet mill. Finally, here is a reality check. Rossi's customer is a listed as a chemical distribution warehouse. Do you think a chemical distributor can use enough process heat for a good-sized factory? I doubt it! This is implausible, to say the least. - Jed
