David— Nice to have you back participating on Vortex-l. Your comments over the years raise many interesting technical questions. I followed up on your recent comment about the ECU report. I have an acquaintance that worked for the EUC and requested a follow-up of the resolution of the report from its author. The acquaintance never received any additional information. I agree that the reclassification of the technology to a materials science category is not a bad idea. The ICCF is an that did just that. However, I fully consider that the evidence from many investigations regarding “LENR” have involved various “nuclear” phenomena in the traditional sense of the word. I have long considered that energy exists in several equivalent forms that can be interchanged or swapped among those various forms. For example spin energy associated with angular momentum can be swapped between the spin energy of electrons of a metal lattice and the intrinsic spin energy associated with nucleons and/or a nucleus. The mechanism (science) of such a swapping is not generally understood, even though Planck’s constant associated with the smallest quanta of angular momentum is accepted by most and a coherent system’s change in angular momentum seems to adhere to the swapping of quanta with the minimum noted above. Not many physicists would argue with this observation. The high energy radiation may not occur, if a system presents itself with a coupling mechanism for many small energy transitions and one large change in nuclear potential to be possible. So-called binding energy of a nucleus would transform into orbital electron phonic (vibrational kinetic energy) of elevated angular momentum spin energy states. Bob Cook