Hi Bob,
No argument that MFMP should not attempt to change anything on their own
initiative. This is about the inventor and his motivation.
Any mention of a gram scale indicates that they will be measuring steam
production, which means that phase change is going to be a systemic and
unnecessary problem. The inventor should realize that phase change can
be extremely problematic with no redeeming feature, so why have it as
part of any black box -- when it easy to provide another mechanism? Does
he not want to convince potential investors?
What is the rationale for not using a heat transfer fluid like mineral
oil/ therminol? If anything the temperature control should be more
accurate than with water, which is always problematic due to pressure
surges and flash steam at the interface with the reactor - not to
mention calcium deposits and corrosion.
Using water, instead of a heat transfer fluid makes no sense to me,
given the history of LENR and especially the duplicity of Rossi which is
looming over everything these days.
If anything, the cost of heat transfer fluid should be low, perhaps less
- but mostly it will show that the inventor has put some thought into
the problems of accurate measurement of heat output.
On 5/9/2017 12:21 PM, Bob Higgins wrote:
Jones,
In making a "black box" test, one cannot readily change the system
control of what is inside the black box. One must be prepared to
measure the black box as it is designed to work. If that means water
in and steam out, then that is what must be measured accurately. MFMP
does not want to be in the position of altering the flow rate that is
a controlled state variable in Me356's system. If MFMP did not
measure XH after having changed something, the reason could be that
the system control had been changed causing the device not to work.
MFMP must be prepared to accurately measure the performance without
relying on measurements of steam quality, pressure, and temperature
measurements. Sparging is a good way to go as Jed suggests. Proper
setup and use of a heat exchanger with steam will work perfectly fine
too - it will underestimate the output heat if anything.
The reason one could never rely on a test made of Rossi's device is
not because there was steam, it was because he never allowed a public
test with independent well prepared testers using their own equipment
for evaluation. The tests Mats Lewan performed were not well prepared
through no fault of his own. If you read his book, you would see that
he had to improvise the testing at the last minute or there would have
been no measurements.
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net
<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
The problems with the proposed testing is HUGE and must be
changed- as of now, this is looking like the oldest scam in the
book - wet-steam/dry-steam. Rossi has been successful in making
the wet-steam scam into an art form. To have any credibility -
this test must not involve steam at all. There are good options
which do not involve steam.
