Good discussion Bob.
I have had a decade long experience with electron orbital degeneracy. It may come as a small surprise to the LENR community that all phase changes involve near approaches (in energy) of the LUMO and HOMO. This includes magnetic transitions. The transitions need not be static as materials can coexist in a state of fluctuations between two phases. This is amply demonstrated in Perovskite minerals such as ferrites. I am hereby advancing the concept that LENR is related to magnetic transitions interrogating the vacuum. The weak energy output from Palladium and nickel may simply indicate that they are sub optimal magnetic hosts. ________________________________ From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:47 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature Degeneracy is a major factor in all the LENR reactions, since it reduces the allowable space for all charged particles of a coherent system such as a crystal lattice commonly found in LENR phenomena. The odds of 2 or more particles in the same general location such that their electric charge fields interact is improved. Strong magnetic fields can cause degeneracy in a crystal. IMHO fission or fusion can occur in a coherent system as long as the potential energy (binding energy) can be distributed through all or some of the coherent system as kinetic energy---vibrations in the Chubb theory as in the Mossbauer Effect. This kinetic energy is also called phonic energy of the lattice. It is the result of higher orbital spin states of many electrons making up the lattice (crystal). . The beauty of the engineering of such a system is in the planning to allow hadron particle changes with a modified positive charge center with causing a major weakening of the lattice with respect to remaining in tact at high temperatures. A range of lattice dimensions for the various nano-particles will alter the phonic resonances the various particles have, such that as degeneracy happens with changing ambient conditions all nano-particles do not react at the same time to sinter the particles together. Cooling the particles IMHO depends upon convective heat transfer by Li vapor or Hydrogen gas to the reactor walls. Maintaining the fuel—nanoparticles-- near the center of the reactor vessel with good mixing is also an engineering feat that relies on the thermal activity of the heat transfer agent and magnetic the ambient magnetic field—probably a field that varies in magnitude significantly above 0. Bob Cook From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 11:20 PM To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature The problem with this fusion idea is that it does not explain the subset of LENR experiments that show fission is occurring. Can this theory explain fission in LENR? I don't think so. On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote: In particular, this paragraph seems to support my Balloon analogy for absorbing most of the high energy emissions into the lattice. "...as in the Mossbauer effect, through a real effect, implicit in the symmetry associated with rigid lattice translations that preserve periodic order, it is possible for a lattice to “recoil” elastically, as a whole, in response to a collision at a point. In the generalization of band theory [19] to many-body, finite systems, the same symmetry is invoked and leads to a huge degeneracy. Because indistinguishable particles are involved in these systems, implicitly, additional degeneracies are also present. The combined effects provide a means for particles to have appreciable overlap at many, periodically displaced “points” (as discussed below), simultaneously, for finite periods of time, in a manner that can result in new forms of collisions in which momentum is transferred from the locations where overlap can occur, rigidly to the lattice as a whole. When these idealized forms of motion are initiated by collisions resulting from the overlap between d’s in IBS’s, they can result in forms of coupling that can cause nuclear fusion to take place in which small amounts of momentum and energy from many different locations are transferred coherently to the solid as a whole and subsequently transferred to many different particles in a cooperative fashion. As a consequence, in agreement with experiment, the associated nuclear energy is predicted to be released without high-energy particles. " On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote: In this old thread, we discussed BECs with Edmund Storms. He unsubscribed from Vortex soon after this interaction, hopefully I wasn't the one who drove him off. Anyways, at the time I did not have access to Chubb's theory but now Jed has uploaded his Ion Band State Theory (IBST) paper onto Lenr-Canr.org It is compelling. But I am disheartened that Jones Beene said it is above his pay grade. Now I think it is two layers above my pay grade. It seems to cover all the bases and it uses conventional physics. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ChubbSRconvention.pdf On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com<mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com<mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com>> wrote: NO!!! That is not the issue Cold fusion produces He4 without radiation. ***There have been some observances of radiation. Not very much, but some. Hot fusion produces a mixture of energetic fragments of He.These are two entirely different processes producing different products. The name is only used to distinguish between the two different processes. ***I think I see where the difference lies. Let's say we had a million balloons all filled with air, and around those million balloons there is a lattice of tinker toys such that each balloon is boxed in. Now, in the middle of all those balloons, you pop one of them. Would you be able to hear the explosion? Probably not, because the emitted energy would be absorbed by the lattice & other baloons. Similarly, with billions of H atoms trapped in Palladium lattices, when 2 of them fuse, the emitted energy gets absorbed by the lattice. That's how we end up with transmutations. But if you had a million balloons in a big room (with no tinker toy lattice) and you exploded 50,000 of them at one time, would you hear the explosion? Yes. The emitted energy would not be fully absorbed by the surrounding matter, and indeed could even lead to further explosions & emissions. That's the difference between cold fusion (tinker toy lattice, only very few fusion events) and hot fusion (no tinker toy lattice, thousands of fusion events leading up to a large emission of energy). Imposing the conclusions of hot fusion emitted energy onto cold fusion emitted energy is where your observation loses its validity.
