See

http://www.rexresearch.com/papp/1papp.htm



On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Che <comandantegri...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> So where's this patent?
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Papp spent a few years developing the noble gas version of his  engine
>> control that was more stable. By the early '80s, Papp found a new engineer
>> to work with, Bob Rohner of West Liberty, Iowa. Papp settled in Florida.
>> Several working engines ran during the Rohner years, which lasted until
>> Papp died in '89. During this time, his third patent application was met
>> with a USPTO request for a working model. Papp refused to not only take an
>> engine to Washington DC, but also to leave it with anyone for any length of
>> time. The USPTO then requested a dynamometer affidavit. A diesel engine
>> test group associated with the University of Oklahoma agreed to come to
>> Florida to test the engine. The affidavit was accepted by the USPTO and
>> they issued the patent.
>>
>> That patent was designated by the patent office to be the best patent
>> granted in that patent year.
>>
>> What other overunity devices has be granted a patent?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Rossi  - Papp  What's the difference. There is not support data.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:53 PM
>>> *To:* vortex-l
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Papp engine and cavitation
>>>
>>> I have been trying to understate how the Papp engine works for years. It
>>> is a mystery. This is no information available on how it works.
>>>
>>> A clue to the production of a plasma based explosion is now coming from
>>> Holmlid's experiments. Holmlid has just discovered that a spark can be used
>>> to activate that plasma explosion just as well as a laser pulse.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Che <comandantegri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where's the best online source to go to for information on this?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am beginning to understand that the Papp engine was a cavitation
>>>>> based device.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the 1960's Papp used water for his fuel. Papp must have produced
>>>>> water crystals in the compression part of the cylinder cycle where the
>>>>> volume of the cylinder was decreasing. During this increasing pressure
>>>>> environment inside the cylinder, cavitation bubbles must have formed
>>>>> thereby producing ultra dense water crystals.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, some larger diesel engines suffer from cavitation due to
>>>>> high compression and undersized cylinder walls. Vibrations of the
>>>>> cylinder wall induce alternating low and high pressure in the coolant 
>>>>> against
>>>>> the cylinder wall. The result is pitting of the cylinder wall, which will
>>>>> eventually let cooling fluid leak into the cylinder and combustion
>>>>> gases to leak into the coolant.
>>>>>
>>>>> To stop the cavitation based erosion of the cylinder walls and the
>>>>> subsequent loss of compression over time, Papp went to noble gases which
>>>>> produce ultra dense noble gas crystals during the compression stage of the
>>>>> cylinder cycle but the formation of ultra dense noble gas crystals did not
>>>>> damage the cylinder walls.
>>>>>
>>>>> When Papp fired a spark, the ultra dense noble gas crystals exploded
>>>>> as happens in the Holmlid experiment when the ultra dense hydrogen 
>>>>> cycltals
>>>>> produce atomic particle fragments that move outward at 3/4 the speed of
>>>>> light. Currently, Holmlid does not capture that huge amount of energy
>>>>> inherent to his expanding plasma.
>>>>>
>>>>> To utilize the energy in the expanding plasma, Holmlid might capture
>>>>> that nuclear powered expanding plasma as Papp once did in an engine design
>>>>> using ultra dense hydrogen as fuel.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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