[Vo]: Re: Scam or no?

[Michel Jullian]

I wouldn't trust the money back guarantee ;-)

The ebay auction page says:

Sold for:US $1,150.00 
Auction ended early with Buy It Now. 

So it seems they found a... what shall we call him/her... customer ;-)

Note it's a scam which can reduce GW actually, in that it allows your ICE to 
run on electricity :)

Michel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: [Vo]: Scam or no?


>A small auto racing company called "Zigouras" has gotten into the 
> "ultra-efficient electrolysis" fray and claims to power an ICE on 
> self-generated hydrogen [Brown's Gas] with zero gasoline. Money back 
> guarantee!
> 
> The inventor, Paul Zigouras  summarized the main details on another forum:
> 
> 1. The cell is 316L grade s/s plates [Brown's Gas type] spaced at only 
> 0.025 inch apart (0.6 mm)
> 2. Water goes in one end and gas comes out the other
> 3. The current drive is via many FET transistors in parallel
> 4. The output waveform is a "perfect" square wave as that has all 
> harmonics in it
> 5. The central frequency is about 40 kHz
> 6. There is a frequency modulation "wobble" of the signal +1 to -3 kHz 
> around the base frequency.
> 7. The current draw at 13.8 volts is between 160 and 190 amps.
> 8. A cell of about 20 plates 3" x 10" is capable of generating 20,000 
> litres of gas per minute.
> 9. The voltage applied to the cell never falls below +1 volt. As one 
> side of the cell is connected to +13.8 volts, that means that the other 
> side of the cell never goes above +12.8 volts. In other words, the 
> square wave switches between zero volts and +12.8 volts 40,000 times per 
> second.
> 10. Paul Z. developed his circuit by modifying the circuit from Kevin at 
> www.waterforfuel.com. However, it is likely that Paul's final circuit 
> does not have very much in common with Kevin's circuit as Paul did a 
> good deal of development and testing.
> 
> 
> The company is in Brockton, Mass. They sound like they are onto 
> something which is seemingly scientifically impossible.
> 
> http://www.zigourasracing.com/
> 
> I would not even have mentioned it - since the claim is preposterous on 
> its surface (although others have been making the same claim since "Dad" 
> Garrett in 1935, especially Stan Meyers)... except that Zigouras do 
> seems to be a valid racing outfit - so they must know a thing or two 
> about engines.
> 
> Zigouras Racing is building and recently started selling (on eBay!) this 
> water-fuel technology (BG electrolysis) unit which sounds too good to be 
> true, and probably is hyped-up beyond a real ability to validate, but 
> anyway.... is there any anomaly at all in what they are doing?
> 
> They have an electroyzer driven by very high amps off of a beefed up 
> alternator in an auto - they are claiming to be capable of electrolyzing 
> 5 gallons of water per minute (impossible !) and then using only this 
> (part steam part H2 and O2 or Brown's gas) to power a vehicle with no 
> gasoline! Not the first time this claim has been made, of course. 
> Stanley Meyer returns from the grave <g>.
> 
> Below is data from their eBay ad which appeared here (may be lapsed):
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120086147205
> 
> "This is our first production ECM (electronic control module) for our 
> standard water cell. This ECM is pictured on the right, and is rated at 
> 150 amps output. This module comes completely calibrated to our 14-plate 
> cell, and is plug-and-play -- no tuning required. If you are planning on 
> running your car strictly on water, without the use of gasoline, this 
> ECM will run the car just fine as long as your engine is around 2.5 L or 
> so. Larger engines will have limited throttle response, and should use 
> the larger ECM (pictured on the left) which is rated at up to 400 amps. 
> This larger ECM will be auctioned off in a few days on ebay. The unit in 
> this auction is capable of putting out over 150 amps (12VDC) at 35khz. 
> This intelligent unit modifies the signal to allow for peak HHO gas 
> output, while drawing minimal current. On smaller engines, you can 
> generate up to 90 horsepower with our 14-plate cell, and over 150 
> horsepower with our 30-plate cell. The 30-plate cell requires the heavy 
> duty version of this ECM, which only costs slightly more than the 
> smaller version. This is version 1.0A of the ECM, which does not have 
> any type of safeties built into it. Shorting the plates could cause 
> damage to the electronics, so we recommend only using our cells for your 
> projects. ECM has a 90 day warranty, if installed and used correctly. 
> Warranty covers the ECM only -- labor and shipping is not included. If 
> you are looking to run a V8 or other type of large engine, please call 
> engineering at (508) 583-5133. We are currenty designing an ECM 
> specifically for larger engines, even though doing so will consume a 
> tremendous amount of water. Technical support is provided for the ECM at 
> the number above, however, it should be pretty self-explanitory. There 
> are only 2 wires in, and 2 wires out to the cell, so it is very easy to 
> connect. Please note that using any other electrolysis cells other than 
> ours will VOID your warranty. Buyer pays S&H.
> 
> More later,
> 
> Jones
>