Leaving the idea of mathematical equivalence aside, and for the sake of argument I'll just take your word for it (though I'm sure that's a debatable point), if they were physically equivalent LENR would not be such a novel & hard-to-detect effect -- it would be ubiquitous and obvious. Or, at the very least, not so rare at the classical level. For example, I think there is evidence that humans are quantum-coherent, but I have actual evidence from investigations of biological organisms to back that up, not abstractions from disparate fields of study that I make subjective connections between.
OK so we can't test the quantum-coherent gamma barrier, right? We just take it on a certain amount of faith (for the present I'm guessing) that it can do all the things you say it does? Similar to WLT? If this is the case, at the very least I think some calculations for a phenomenon that produces no testable predictions in LENR systems. WLT do provide calculations at least, though most of them have been torn apart by a number of competent people in the field. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > The physics and math of ultra cold BEC is the same as for polariton BEC. I > read that somewhere. So the experimental results of one can be applied to > the other. Experiments of hot BEC are not possible because the parameters > of the experiment cannot be well controlled. Cold BEC is always used for > experimentation because parameters can be controlled. > > In my mind, polariton lasers show energy sharing where pumped energy is > converted to a single energy level. > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This was work on "ultracold atom ensembles". OK, that's interesting, >> and? Why are you so sure "ultracold" phenomenon can so easily manifest at >> high temperature. And what proves these ultracold phenomenon can generate >> some system-wide absorption of radiation & internal thermal heat? I'll ask >> again if there's anyway to experimentally demonstrate what you're talking >> about in very different LENR systems? >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> See >>> >>> Rydberg excitation of a Bose-Einstein condensate >>> >>> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1261v1.pdf >>> >>> >>> Think of Rydberg excitement as the energy product of the reaction in >>> terms of the physics. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You lost me there. It must be because, like Jones said, I don't >>>> understand QM. >>>> >>>> As far as I was aware, if we are talking about the same experiment, is >>>> that the IR hot-spots clearly demonstrate an NAE reacting. Nothing more >>>> nothing less. They were not detecting nuclear products, just spotted heat >>>> events. I don't understand how this demonstrates a BEC-shield in any way. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If superfuidic temperature distribution is demonstrated in a NjH >>>>> reactor, this proves that a global BEC has formed. The production of >>>>> flashing hot spots as viewed by a infrared camera shows that a BEC has not >>>>> formed. I has seen this video. If no hot spots are seen in the lattice of >>>>> the reactor, then a BEC has formed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> OK, so these papers are basically saying hot fusion/fission is >>>>>> occurring in these nano-plasmon environments, right? Now the trick of >>>>>> course is proving that a coherent BEC state, that links together a >>>>>> phase-coherent quantum-system (aka "soliton") then dissipates all that >>>>>> mass >>>>>> energy through systemic distribution, can actually exist. Widom-Larsen >>>>>> have >>>>>> taken a similar road without success. Hagelstein has tried to do this >>>>>> through a phonon quasi-particle model with limited success. Again, the >>>>>> papers are all well and good, what experiments do you suggest to show >>>>>> this >>>>>> is going on in all NiH LENR systems beside the particle chamber >>>>>> suggestion? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have put forth the nanoplasmonic experiments done with lasers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Repeated many times in previous posts and except in part as follows: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of >>>>>>> electrons on the surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic >>>>>>> mechanism >>>>>>> can change the half-life of U232 from 69 years to 6 microseconds. >>>>>>> It also causes thorium to fission. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> See references: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276&ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAg&usg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQ&sig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUA&bvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Experiments showing the same mechanism as listed below: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of >>>>>>> solid targets in heavy water" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Initiation of nuclear reactions under laser irradiation of Au >>>>>>> nanoparticles in the presence of Thorium aqua ions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
