And absolutely all of them are manifestations of BEC?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > LENR is ubiquitous and obvious. It is seen in lightning, volcanic > processes, electrical discharges (Ken Shoulders), exploding foils, and > cavitation to name just a few. DGT has a list in their ICCF-17 paper. > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Leaving the idea of mathematical equivalence aside, and for the sake of >> argument I'll just take your word for it (though I'm sure that's a >> debatable point), if they were physically equivalent LENR would not be such >> a novel & hard-to-detect effect -- it would be ubiquitous and obvious. Or, >> at the very least, not so rare at the classical level. For example, I think >> there is evidence that humans are quantum-coherent, but I have actual >> evidence from investigations of biological organisms to back that up, not >> abstractions from disparate fields of study that I make subjective >> connections between. >> >> OK so we can't test the quantum-coherent gamma barrier, right? We just >> take it on a certain amount of faith (for the present I'm guessing) that it >> can do all the things you say it does? Similar to WLT? If this is the case, >> at the very least I think some calculations for a phenomenon that produces >> no testable predictions in LENR systems. WLT do provide calculations at >> least, though most of them have been torn apart by a number of competent >> people in the field. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The physics and math of ultra cold BEC is the same as for polariton BEC. >>> I read that somewhere. So the experimental results of one can be applied to >>> the other. Experiments of hot BEC are not possible because the parameters >>> of the experiment cannot be well controlled. Cold BEC is always used for >>> experimentation because parameters can be controlled. >>> >>> In my mind, polariton lasers show energy sharing where pumped energy is >>> converted to a single energy level. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This was work on "ultracold atom ensembles". OK, that's interesting, >>>> and? Why are you so sure "ultracold" phenomenon can so easily manifest at >>>> high temperature. And what proves these ultracold phenomenon can generate >>>> some system-wide absorption of radiation & internal thermal heat? I'll ask >>>> again if there's anyway to experimentally demonstrate what you're talking >>>> about in very different LENR systems? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> See >>>>> >>>>> Rydberg excitation of a Bose-Einstein condensate >>>>> >>>>> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1261v1.pdf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Think of Rydberg excitement as the energy product of the reaction in >>>>> terms of the physics. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You lost me there. It must be because, like Jones said, I don't >>>>>> understand QM. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I was aware, if we are talking about the same experiment, >>>>>> is that the IR hot-spots clearly demonstrate an NAE reacting. Nothing >>>>>> more >>>>>> nothing less. They were not detecting nuclear products, just spotted heat >>>>>> events. I don't understand how this demonstrates a BEC-shield in any way. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If superfuidic temperature distribution is demonstrated in a NjH >>>>>>> reactor, this proves that a global BEC has formed. The production of >>>>>>> flashing hot spots as viewed by a infrared camera shows that a BEC has >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> formed. I has seen this video. If no hot spots are seen in the lattice >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the reactor, then a BEC has formed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OK, so these papers are basically saying hot fusion/fission is >>>>>>>> occurring in these nano-plasmon environments, right? Now the trick of >>>>>>>> course is proving that a coherent BEC state, that links together a >>>>>>>> phase-coherent quantum-system (aka "soliton") then dissipates all that >>>>>>>> mass >>>>>>>> energy through systemic distribution, can actually exist. Widom-Larsen >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> taken a similar road without success. Hagelstein has tried to do this >>>>>>>> through a phonon quasi-particle model with limited success. Again, the >>>>>>>> papers are all well and good, what experiments do you suggest to show >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> is going on in all NiH LENR systems beside the particle chamber >>>>>>>> suggestion? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have put forth the nanoplasmonic experiments done with lasers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Repeated many times in previous posts and except in part as >>>>>>>>> follows: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of >>>>>>>>> electrons on the surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic >>>>>>>>> mechanism >>>>>>>>> can change the half-life of U232 from 69 years to 6 microseconds. >>>>>>>>> It also causes thorium to fission. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> See references: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276&ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAg&usg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQ&sig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUA&bvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Experiments showing the same mechanism as listed below: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of >>>>>>>>> solid targets in heavy water" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Initiation of nuclear reactions under laser irradiation of Au >>>>>>>>> nanoparticles in the presence of Thorium aqua ions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
