CB, the folks that do not believe that man made global warming is the primary cause of the heating have a right to their opinions just as you do and it is not appropriate for you to write in this manner. Perhaps you missed the latest statement from the modelers that the current flat temperature period might last until 2025 or so before the heating resumes. Considering that their models did not even hint that this was possible, I think you might want to reconsider the quality of the predictions of those models. I expect good correlation between what one predicts and what actually occurs for a process that is well understood. If this is not seen then it is proper to suspect that the model is lacking. One day these guys might get things right, but for now, they are seriously in error. When do you think it will be appropriate to expect them to generate answers that match the real world? They have come to bat and struck out this time. Even they admit the lack of correlation at this point after a long denial.
Surely you must realize that essentially every scientific theory will be shown to be incorrect at some time in the future. It is entirely possible that the global warming crowd will become the ones that leave the scene with their tails between their legs like the tobacco industry execs you mention. Complex systems are notoriously difficult to understand and the global climate behavior appears to be one of the most complex around. If you have an open mind you might want to look into the correlation between solar activity and cloud formation. I vote along with you that global warming is a subject of extreme controversy and it would be great if vortex never discusses the issue again. Until that time please refrain from using inappropriate language. Dave -----Original Message----- From: CB Sites <cbsit...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming? Jed is write in my opinion between the deniers of global warming and the skeptic of cold fusion, in some aspects. I think the better analogy is deniers of anthropogenic global warming and the tobacco industry lobby that claimed tobacco didn't cause cancer. It took a long time for that debate to end, with the tobacco industry having to put their tail between their legs and fork out billions in lawsuits. Global warming scientists are on top of there game. The people that deny global warming on the internet blogs, comments, and forums are so foolish and look to be nothing short of butt holes with an agenda. And that agenda is to be the biggest ass that they can be if it conforms to what their buddy's think. I just hope this subject on global warming never again appears on vortex. It's to much of an off-subject hot potato. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com> wrote: I can serve up thousands of similar reports on cold fusion, ***And you do. You serve up factual reports on cold fusion. And there are thousands of factual reports on global warming. Some conclude there's manmade warming, others conclude it's caused by the sun. Imagine that: the sun warms up planets, like ours. There's a distinct lack of evidence for something that is supposed to be such a friggin slam-dunk. When it is a slam-dunk, there's no need for fraud. This proves only that cold fusion researchers are primates like everyone else. ***And so are climate researchers. On both sides. I've seen reports that strongly correlate "global warming" with solar activity. What a huge DUHH factor. Trying to overcome the obvious and claim that such a thing is wrong, that there's some ton of evidence that says mankind causes global warming... well, such a thing has a higher bar of proof now that the IPCC was caught in an outright series of lies trying to make the case for global warming. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote: Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com> wrote: here's 2 reports to chew on. good luck digesting them. it doesn't even reach back to the the fraudulent emails from ipcc yet. I can serve up thousands of similar reports on cold fusion, from newspapers, universities, national labs, Wikipedia and a hundred other institutions. All of them are wrong. The authors, in every case, know nothing about this subject, and every assertion they make is either a mistake or a lie. By James Delingpole – One of the world’s most eminent climate scientists – for several decades a warmist – has defected to the climate sceptic camp. I know several cold fusion researchers who gave up and denounced the whole file. I know several today who say that everyone else in the field is wrong, and that Rossi and many others are frauds. This proves only that cold fusion researchers are primates like everyone else. - Jed
