On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:
> Lets call time before the big bang as BBB. So what was around 1 billion > years BBB? > ***Time was created at the beginning of the big bang, so asking what happened a billion years before time was created is like asking "what's the difference between a duck"? It is useless. Like I said, diminishing returns. > > If we choose to believe that time has been passing forever > ***This ain't scientific inquiry any more. If we choose to believe.... that unicorns poop skittles then we'll need more dentists. > then there would be plenty of time for life to develop during the past. > There is sufficient evidence that everything we see today was produced > during and after the assumed big bang, but what if time itself was slowed > down at the initialization of the big bang such that an infinite amount of > it has passed since that zero point. > ***And what if time is just an illusion, you aint here and I aint here, we're all just plugged into a matrix to generate electricity. Maybe it's fun for you to think like that but it is a waste of time. Like I said, diminishing returns. > > Our measurement techniques and assumptions lead us to believe that 13+ odd > billion years has elapsed, but what if we are wrong? > ***Then maybe 14 billion years have elapsed, but not 500trilliontrillion years. > According to relativity, immense mass concentration slows down the rate of > time passage > ***In order for your theory to be true, it would have to stop the rate of time passage. The entire mass of the known universe wouldn't even be near close enough to stop it. > and it is difficult to imagine a more dense concentration than that of the > initial big bang mass of the entire known universe. > ***Then imagine something even more dense that CREATED it, spoke it into existence, as He has claimed to do. > > So, if an infinite amount of time has passed since the big bang there is > no concern about how long it might take life to take form. > ***Other than the fact that your supposition is baloney, it's fun to think this way. And a waste of time. BTW, you're still arguing on this side of the big bang, not a billion years "before" it. > There is also no need to be concerned about what was before the big band > since that was an infinite amount of time ago. In this scenario we take > advantage of the behavior of infinite processes. > ***Then why did you bring it up earlier? > > To expand on this idea. Perhaps the present assumption of a period of > universal inflation is really just > ***really just a buncha baloney. > a patch to make the time frames fit into our best guess for the age of the > universe. Our perception of the rate at which time passes is established > by the world around us and ensures that we will find it difficult to > imagine a universe of infinite time duration. The same can be said of our > perception of an infinite space. With the proposition I am outlining > above, both of these dimensions are allowed to be unbounded and can fit > into our observations. > ***But they DON'T fit into our observations. > > I make no claim that this idea is original since the principle seems so > simple, and I personally tend to consider it open minded thinking. > ***Of COURSE you consider it open minded thinking. And no doubt you'd consider other options to be closed minded thinking. That's because you disagree with the end result. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Fletcher <a...@well.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Fri, Aug 29, 2014 2:24 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]: The Absurdity of Darwinian Evolution. > > > > > >My question is about the metaphysics of > >where/how/what "heaven" was before creation. > >***Well, I answered your original > >question. Now you want to expand it into areas > >where I have diminishing interest. There's > >basically no scientific (and probably very > >little spiritual) value in such a discussion. > > Contrariwise : pre-big-bang is one of the hottest areas of physics right now. > > >
