Re: [WSG] Styling forms

[Mike at Green-Beast.com]

Hello Thomas,

How does screenreaders treat using just
<label><input/></label>?

I'm writing an article on just that thing now. Jaws is okay with it, but 
Windows Eyes chokes on it. That in itself may not be too-too important due 
to the number of users, but I'm  99.99% sure that Safari on Mac users will 
have difficulty (at best) actually inputting content in such a form input. I 
can't replicate this on Safari for Windows, but I have gotten lots of 
feedback to go on.

I actually just updated both of my version two contact forms today to 
correct this (v3 was already fixed). I've been fixing forms all day 
actually.

I have come to the conclusion that the only proper method is...

   <label for="foo">Foo Text</label>
       <input id="foo">

Though I suppose <input alt="Foo Text"> would also be okay.

Cheers.
Mike




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Thomassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms


hm... this thread has given me a thinker.
How does screenreaders treat using just <label><input/></label>?

<form>
 <fieldset>
   <label>Foo: <input id="foo"/></label>
   <label>Bar: <input id="bar"/></label>
 </fieldset>
</form>

How will it present the form? If it's all inline, will it be read 
continuous, or will there be a break between the elements?

 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Joe Ortenzi
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms


 Well done Alexey!


 Are we not confusing semantics with presentational here?


 if it is OK to strip the presentational out of a list element (when we use 
a list for a navigation group and want our navigation elements in a row 
instead of a column) what is wrong with supplanting the inline quality of a 
label/input group by designating it a block element, and then group several 
form elements, or even each label input group with fieldsets?


 BTW: <br /> is the equivalent of a force carriage return and thus belongs 
within paragraphs, i thought!


 Joe


 On Feb 7 2008, at 19:55, Алексей Новиков wrote:


   On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz
   Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:29 AM
   To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
   Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms


   TK> fwiw, I think BRs are the perfect fit.


   BRs? Are BRs semantically correct? I believe they aren't.


   --
   Regards,
   Alexey Novikov
   http://studiomade.ru






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