Jason Grant
Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:18:39 -0800
@Chris I couldn't resist this Sir. Your site: http://chess.cfajohnson.com/ Uses two tables on the front page. The first should be a <dl> and both are missing <thead> section. Poor accessibility. It's also an unusual practice to be putting inline images into an <h1>, but at the very top you have <h1><a><img> construct going on. HHmmm. Anyway. Back to my shell script. ;-)
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Jason Grant <ja...@flexewebs.com> wrote: > @Chris F. A. Johnson > Once again, the site only looks rubbish for most part and is still > accessible with larger font size. How do you propose overcoming this > issue with fixed width layouts. I don't want my site to look rubbish > like your for 98% of my users. Also with CSS switched off the site's > content is perfectly visible with whatever default font size. > > @Thierry Koblentz > 'Could' is not something we should be developing for. We need to know > who we are developing for, otherwise it's a bit of a hit and miss. > > @Patrick H. Lauke > 'Full accessibility' to me means a fully functional site with JS > switched off, with all visual goodies in place of course (contrast, > flexible font size and so on) according to WCAG1.0, to which we have > so far been working. When web apps context comes in, meeting these > WCAG1.0 becomes a massive burden and extra work. > > Clients issue - I am usually not developing for Santa Clause. Clients > essentially rule the game and set the constraints which I need to > meet. I am not going to invent constraints or drop anything that > client requires. If they tell me 'code for IE6 only' I will tell them > 'but IE8 is already in use and IE9 is round the corner, so IE6 is way > beyond it's use by date, so I would not recommend what you suggest > under any circumstances' and they tell me that I should not worry, I > am not going to be an idiot enough to be pushing my issue as it tends > to simply piss people off and make me look bad in the eyes of > everyone. > > JS issue. When writing this article for most part I *was* thinking > about JS vs. no-JS matters. To implement a proper progressively > enhanced solution for a complex web app it really does take lots of > thinking and additional (possibly complex) JS/AJAX code for it to > work. I haven't got that time to do it with the app I am currently > developing. > > Coincidentally can someone send me a complex-ish web app using JS that > has been 'properly developed' with regards to accessibility? Anything > in the wild will do. Yahoo used to taut Flickr as one, but it isn't. > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson > <ch...@cfajohnson.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Jason Grant wrote: >> >>> Thanks to people who have commented via blog and email. >> ... >>> @Chris F.A. Johnson That page is accessible, it just looks shit in the >>> browser you tested in (whatever you have used there - would have nice >>> to have test environment details). >> >> The only environment detail that matters is the font size. You >> haven't allowed for users with a different default font size -- and >> that *is* a matter of accessibility. >> >>> I don't care. Content is visible >>> and accessible. I am not intending to support everything under the Sun >>> under my blog. >> >> Why not? It's more work to prevent it working everywhere than it is >> to *let* it work everywhere. >> >> -- >> Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfajohnson.com> >> =================================================================== >> Author: >> Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) >> Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >> ******************************************************************* >> >> > > > > -- > Jason Grant BSc, MSc > CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. > www.flexewebs.com > ja...@flexewebs.com > +44 (0)7748 591 770 > Company no.: 5587469 > > www.flexewebs.com/semantix > www.twitter.com/flexewebs > www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs > -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *******************************************************************