on 6/13/04 2:30 PM, 1st PowerMacs at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hi guys n gals; > > I'm getting ready to try to install (probably yellow dog) linux > on a beige g3 300 mhz. At the moment I have 4 drives on it. > Am running system 9.1 > > I picked up the machine about a month ago. Brought it home, and > put in a second hard drive. Started it up and had all kinds of > problems. > > It seems that if I set the machine up with either of the internal > drives as the start up drive, the machine will hang half way > through the start up sequence leaving me with a desktop showing > a frozen clock and nothing else. > > In the process of trying to recover control of it I cannot get > it to allow the start up on the ata bus drives. I finally > shut down and disconnect the internal drives to allow the external > to take control...only to find that the internal now doesn't > show up (as expected). I hook them up and they finally shows > up somehow .... although I'm not sure quite what I did to get > it back. > > In addition, I seem to occasionally have a problem getting the > drives on the internal ATA bus to regularly show up. Sometimes > one shows up and another does not. It seems mostly to confine > itself to the two internal drives and especially if I set one > of them as the start up drive. > > What I'm planning to do going to Yellow Dog may bring these problems > up again because I may need to move drives around. I thought I'd > see if anyone had any ideas what is causing it in the first place. > > on the internal ATA connection > ATA 0: ID 0: Extended HFS+ 6G (Internal of course) > > ATA 1: ID 0: Extended HFS+ 4G (also internal) > A Quantum drive > SCSI0: ID 5: External HFS 4G (External) > A Seagate drive > SCSI0: ID 6: External HFS+ 2G (External) > A Seagate drive > > ATA 1: ID 1: CD player > > Update: I withheld this mail for a bit to try to identify anything > concrete any further. I've been running this system now for about > a month and it seems to no longer be misbehaving as long as I don't > try to change anything like... start up drive. I'm reluctant to do > anything until I understand what has been happening and why. > > Could the HFS or HFS+ have anything to do with it? > > As a 'late thought' it occurs to me that perhaps a bad pram battery > might do this? Its stayed plugged in since that first bout where it > behaved so badly. > > Thanks > Don
Hi Don and all; A dead Pram battery is a possiblity, as they can cause weird things with different systems. But the one thing that sticks out is your ATA setup. I have a Beige G3-300MT, so we'll see if we can get this sorted out. The Beige G3 has 2 ATA connectors on the MOBO marked J9 and J10. J9 is the primary (ATA bus 0) and J10 is the secondary ATA bus 1). If only one bus is used, you "must" use J9 for the boot drive. If both busses are used the boot drive goes on J9(ATA bus 0) jumpered as master (ID=0). The CD (if it is ATA (or ATAPI) goes on J10 (ATA bus 1) jumpered as master (ID=0). If the CD is set as slave you will not be able to boot from it. Try putting the CD back as master (ID=0) and the 4GB Quantum as slave (ID=1) and see if that works. Also check the termination on your SCSI drives. The last drive on the chain is the only one that should be terminated. If all this fails, remove all the drives (internal and external) except the boot drive (on the J9 cable,set to master-ID=0) and see if it'll boot. If it boots, put the CD back in on the J10 cable (set to master ID=0 and at the end of the cable and try to boot. If it boots, add the 4GB Quantum (set to ID=1) and try to boot. If it boots keep adding things one at a time and see if things go wonky again. This is the way mine is setup If I left anything out, I'm sure our resident G3 expert,<grin> Mr. PeterH will step in and clarify a bit more. HTH --Thanks; Rev. George --Maranatha (means the Lord cometh) -- 1st-PowerMacs is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Sonnet & PowerLogix Upgrades - start at $169 | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> 1st PowerMacs list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/1st-powermacs.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List archive: <http://mail.maclaunch.com/lists/1st-powermacs/> --------------------------------------------------------------- >The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---------------------------------------------------------------
