>From:        Philip Stortz, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>--
>President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of
>Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld,
>and Attorney General John D. Ashcroft have committed violations and
>subversions of the Constitution
>of the United States of America.  <www.VoteToImpeach.org>  They should be
>charged with
>high treason
>and imprisoned frankly.  If there is no rule of law there can be no
>civilization.


I really must object to this kind of 'sig' on this list.  This is
highly inflamatory, rude, innapropriate, disrespectful, innacurate,
misrepresentative, and an outrage to dump this kind of thing
onto this mailing list in the guise of calling it a 'sig'.

I understand that it is technically correct, but like its outrageous
statements, correct does not make it RIGHT.  BIG difference.

WELL Over 2000 people were killed at the WTC 3 years ago and I find it
an utter OUTRAGE to call the counterterrorism efforts 'treason'.  I cannot
sit back and shut up to have that kind of treasonous statements made
without a powerful response.

The legality of having free speech does NOT give a human being the
'right' to shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre and the statement that
a president who has fiercely defended his people does not in any way
make him guilty of treason.  The dictionary definition, clearly
shows where the REAL treason is

Please especially note #3 and # 6 below


trea�son �� (�P�)��Pronunciation Key��(trzn)

1.      Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially
the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously
and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

2.      A betrayal of trust or confidence.

3 the offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country
or of assisting its enemies in war; specifically : the act of levying war
against the United States or adhering to or giving aid and comfort to its
enemies by one who owes it allegiance �trea�son�ous /-&s/ adjective

4 a giving up, a delivering up, fr. tradere to give up, betray

5 The offense of attempting to overthrow the government of the state to
which the offender owes allegiance, or of betraying the state into the
hands of a foreign power; disloyalty; treachery.

6 a crime that undermines the offender's government

Note: In monarchies, the killing of the sovereign, or an attempt to take his
life, is treason. In England, to imagine or compass the death of the king,
or of the queen consort, or of the heir apparent to the crown, is high
treason, as are many other offenses created by statute. In the United States,
treason is confined to the actual levying of war against the United States,
or to an adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.



I find it amazing that a 'sig' of this kind can be accepted without forceful
objection by numerous individuals on this list. This country has gone through
WAY too much to sit back and tolerate the kind of blatent attack that was
done on September 11, 2001.

Remember that Osama Bin Laden was 'nurtured' by Afghanistan's Taliban
government. (Source: <http://yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=16016> )

Remember that 9-11-01 was not his first, second, third, or fourth attempt
to destroy American people.  I'll spare you the list.  Furthermore, President
Bush made a crystal clear statement to terrorist harboring governments to
either hand over the terrorists that they are giving sanctuary to, or share
in their fate.  Which part of that is unclear?

The cost in lives, the financial cost, the freedom cost...have all been
utterly staggering.  I strenuously object to

1: this twisting of the truth into painting George Bush as the villan
   in association with taking a fierce stance in defense of our country.

2: the misuse of a FREEDOM to have any sig a person wants being exchanged
   for LISCENCE to throw whatever treasonous statements one might wish to
   dump on people.  It is technically correct but highly argumentative to
   put such sigs that contain religion or politics onto a Mac mail list.

December 7, 1941 Pearl Harbor
2403 dead

September 11, 2001 WTC New York & more

American Flight 11              87 (5)
United Flight 175                60 (5)
American Flight 77         59 (5)
United Flight 93                  40 (4)
Pentagon (on the ground)         125
WTC (on the ground)       2,602
Total Sept 11 deaths:    2,973  (19)

Osama Bin Laden wanted attention.  He picked the wrong leader to get
it from.  Perhaps he should have done it a year sooner so he would not
have had such a strongly Protective leader to contend with.  That is
not a mistake he could afford to make once.

Our country was forced to war 3 years ago by ultra left wing radicals
who refused to take freedom for an answer, not by political choice.
This is a harsh, painful reality that I don't find one bit funny.
Lets not let this list degrade into a political or religious forum
for extremist political stuff.

I hereby FORMALLY request that political or religious sigs be
OFFICIALLY set as off limits on this mailing list.

My apologies to those who find this response to an innapropriate sig
to be 'off topic'.  I find the sig utterly offensive, treasonous,
innacurate, untruthful, and rude...just to put it mildly.

Don

The best way for evil to triumph is for
good people to sit back and do nothing

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