Jesus do we always have to have this whiny ass discussion.  Let's make the
distinction please as to the difference between the Rave scene and  this
mystical Utopian non-existant past that seems to fit so fondly in everyones
mind.  Raves and the trendy (it's a fashion and drug culture not a music
culture stop deluding yourself-who the hell doesn't listen to music on
drugs!)have, do, and will suck (opinions-assholes you know the cliche).  The
phenomena of the 80's in England where the Drug and Fashion culture that
later becam raving wasn't based on the music from this list until several
years after the Acid Houses Incantation.  The Rave merely became a vehicle
for Techno. Futuristic beats sound pretty cool on drugs no.  As Dan Sicko
pointed out most of the Artist you guys idolize on this list (jesus! they
just make music) couldn't get heard anywhere and the rave was the only place
to play the music of their lives.  I'm personally glad that ferngully and
re-disco are the only thing you can hear at a rave, I don't have to go to be
annoyed with anyone.  I can get my friends together throw an intimate 300
person party  with great artist who ain't gettin booked at a rave cause they
have talent and then I can have a genuine good time (not to mentioned we
dress well).  Every other week someone in New York, LA, or San Fran is
posting about quality small techno events. It can be hard because of the
fees that must be paid to the Detroit Artists who have been getting way more
fame/respect/money in Europe and recently australia are so high.  It would
be nice if some of the artist would do some favors and come play for less
than their Euro Cost.  To build and maintain a lasting you have to maintain
the core audience that will stick around.  So if anyone knows any cool ass
artist (the Burdens have offered) want to come out here hang out with some
deprived Tech-heads and rock a small house party let me know.  God I
remember only 4 years ago seeing Claude Young Tag for 4 Hours with Mike
Clark in a Basement in Lansing.  Fuckin Quality.  The kids are all wrong big
deal but unless we snag a few of em an educate em about the history and
tradition then there will be no more music being made (in case you havn't
noticed some of the artists are like ballplayers gettin over the hill) and
all you'll have are achives of this list.  
Goddamn Ravers 
Hans
Punk Rock boy who likes the damn beats
  
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:36:31 -0400, Dann W wrote:

>  > Oh, stop whining....
>  
>  Didn't mean for it to come off in a whining tone but... anyway.
>  
>  > it's how you present yourself.
>  
>   Good point, i agree.
>  
>  > Many of us who came up in the early days listened, observed, paid
>  attention,
>  > respected the people who had been before us and learned about the music
>  and
>  > the scene.
>  
>  As do I, and a lot of my friends.  I really do wish I could have
experienced
>  the scene when it was a little more pure.  Unfortunately that's not a
>  possibility.  I love the music, so I put up with the shit and make the
best
>  of it.  Yeah, the scene sucks now but people need to try not to
generalize.
>  Theres new school kids out there got the love as well.
>  
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