hmmm, well as one of the ppl that started hanging out in downtown detroit when i was 13 i can tell you this much - the focus of the 13-yr-olds that are out and about these days is not the same. yeah, i had fake id by the time that i was 14 but i just wanted to get out and experience - not get out and get messed up. there were a lot of different influences in detroit in the mid & late 80's to absorb - punk, ska, goth, new wave, whatever - and we went everywhere. anyone on the list ever hit the graystone(all ages, remember lotsa jolt cola)? bookies? alcove? todd's? city club/liedernacht(wow, anyone seen sterling lately?) oh boy - even homesick night @ industry? hey, if there was music i could dance to i was there...

i'm sure that other drugs were around, but weed and alcohol were the primaries that i saw with coke and acid as secondaries - not e, g, k or any of the other letters that are doing so much damage to kids today. personally, i didn't even really start drinking until i was 25 - ahhh, please no smart-ass comments about me making up for lost time since then.

so yeah - kids will always be out running around when they shouldn't. but in the time period where i was 13-18 (1983-1988) there also weren't giant parties where drugs were readily available to underage kids every weekend.

yep, i really really really like to get my drink on and find a speaker stack. but i was also there sober for years.

most kids get into the rave scene from a friend - their "rave momma" or "rave poppa" - and often goes to their first party and does their first pill on the same night. i've been introduced to countless kids this way: "hey, i want you to meet _______. it's her first party and she's rolling for the first time." by and large, someone doesn't just go to a rave alone for the first time, and if their "rave momma" shows them the way that it's done and that's how they're introduced to the scene it might be a while - if ever - before they realize that they don't need the drugs.

there really is nothing safe and legal for those under 18 to do in detroit. raves, fake ids or house parties are pretty much the options.

so is there a need in detroit for a legal all-ages club without a liquor license that could be open all night? sure. will it happen? not with the midnight curfew in the city for those under 18, and not with the casinos coming into the city. there is a lot of pbs (politics and bullshit) that many are not aware of unless you're involved in the scene from the standpoint of trying to do things fully legally.

g

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