Exactly.
I've been looking at this list, and all I wonder is a) are they in the crate, and b) if not let me check. Getting over it is never part of the equation. On Aug 18, 2017 6:17 PM, "Denise Dalphond" <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: > just like white people need to teach ourselves how to fight racism by > reading and researching without putting the burden on people of color, men > need to do the same. the burden is not on women to inform you of the > existence of sexism. > > and 313 is always an appropriate place to bring up race and racism. we > love and talk and write about Black music. and a lot of us are white. we > need to be talking about it. > > it's great to talk about female producers. i'm not one. i'm not a > producer. i'm not a dj. i'm a fan. and i'm a writer. > > i mean, what if we were in a record store, we'd be saying i like this, > what do you like, back and forth. so our roll call here is just bigger > because there's more people talking. > > *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* > *ethnomusicologist* > *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM, christiaan <christi...@societyfools.com> > wrote: > >> im not crying and when someone is really good, male or female, there’s no >> need to fight either. >> >> >> On 18 Aug 2017, at 23:03, Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> my point is sexism is real and men should be fighting to end it, not >> crying that everything's hard for everyone. >> >> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* >> *ethnomusicologist* >> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work/>* >> >> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Peter Bense <textur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond < >>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events >>>> with *exclusively* female artists? >>>> >>>> I have. And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the >>>> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over >>>> their accomplishments as a performer/musician. (To say nothing of the male >>>> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy. A >>>> separate issue unto itself.)" >>>> >>>> You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or >>>> woman. It is often empowering. >>>> >>> >>> How presumptuous of you? >>> >>> I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I >>> was with were the ones who observed it first. I have been to some that >>> were frankly quite objectifying. >>> >>> >>>> And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste. >>>> >>> >>> No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about >>> as marginal as it gets. >>> >>> >>>> I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage, >>>> reading the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that >>>> experience is life changing in a sexist world. >>>> >>>> A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists >>>> who are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by. >>>> >>> >>> I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or >>> interesting. It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let >>> alone to not use any. >>> >>> Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as >>> to why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by." >>> >>> I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter >>> *who* you are or *what* your background is. >>> >> >> >> >
