I've lurked on and enjoyed the 313 digest for a long time. It's sad that it's become the absolute pits. Catch you later... <unsubbed>
Cheers, Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: denisedalph...@gmail.com To: b...@glzr.info Cc: Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net>, 313@hyperreal.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:03:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing “dream.” A long while after the conversation ended. Are you my mother? On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier <b...@glzr.info> wrote: Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him for that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about the matter. We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you. You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination. Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is different. In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own experiences elicit a response, and whilst we can be more well read than in previous years thanks to technology, there's still a lot to learn for anyone who has not grown up with or been subject to this oppression. Humans are fickle and behaviour to get people on board needs to be constructive. Short answer, it would have been great if RA had of produced the piece in the way that has been discussed! Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig deeper and read and learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further! Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who has some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even one start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population. I live in London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of all backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our racial issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other countries and cities. Speaking of London, for those of you here, check these black history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) - http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/ Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine). Where's George M Smiley these days? Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte. Hadn't heard of him until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name. BG On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: > If I am, I really don't mean to be. Guilty of poor communication. > > Conversation very confusing. > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude. > > You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR > and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. > > I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not > arrogant enough to post the link again. > > Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re > all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about > who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 😢 > > Denise > > > > > On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: > > Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as > it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which > opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am > sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation. I do not have a > neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation. > > The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel > very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to > what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was > ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to > appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult. > I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener > probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not > disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be > disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be > disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it, > leading to my ignorance. > > It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise > (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email > reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily > provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of > what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case, > but I accept that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the > music, and that you may be right. > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: > > > It took you this long to think of a response. 😲 > > On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: > > Denise > > I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard what > James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and that > Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm writing > this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing on my mind > since reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish > families in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and > honoured those families. It makes you feel sick. > > I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about the > practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by the > British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden. > Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in > England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice > an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the British ambassador in > Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In > short, it says more about the British involvement in the slave trade at the > time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly used, but they were > used in some arrangement which was directly involved with the slave > trade. I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly business. I was born > in Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all poor working class families. I > think we should be taught this stuff in school. That's all white-washing > and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise for my own > ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I certainly woke with a > strong feeling that you could be. > > Regards > > Steve > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. Read > my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re > confused by your rage. > > Denise > > > > > > On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel > that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the > synonyms being a match. > > Could I have used another word? Sure, there are many synonyms to choose > from. I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral principles” > is precisely what she’s guilty of: > > > https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761&hl=en-US&ei=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM&ins=false&q=unscrupulous&oq=uns&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1......0....1.......5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ > > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List > Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let > me say this: > > I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line. > And in this particular case, patently absurd. Denise has strong opinions > and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous. > > To quote Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it means." > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Agreed, > > However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just > as much as actual racist views/comments. > > Next subject? 🤓👊🏿 > > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com <ja...@iridite.com> > wrote: > > Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.....discussion about Dixon Avenue > Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :) > > ANYWAY....let's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, > massive respect, nuff said > > Jason > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's > still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't > we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days. > > I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years > ago? > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust <mar...@dustscience.com> > wrote: > > > > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36,ja...@iridite.com wrote: > > > > Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and measured > response in situations like this. > > > > Proper LOL > > > > > -- -- b...@bennglazier.com WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
