I got to admit, Tosh has some very strong arguments here, but he has especially mastered the art of making a point in his favor by using a lot of put-down remarks. A keen and commonly used trick to baffle opponents in a discussion.
What are we talking about here? Is the digital jockey the end of our music? Of course it isnt. No less than DJs who still prefer vinyl and refuse using a laptop are small-minded traditionalists. What bothers me in all this ranting and raving about progression and embracing new technology is the emptiness of it all. Everyday we are slapped in the face with some new and improved technology which we should use because we would not wish to be hopelessly retarded now would we? Sorry to break the news to all the technology freaks, but this is absolute bollocks. Just take a minute to look back in the past and see what was the last invention which has really affected all of our lives, whether we wanted it or not. Was it the mobile phone? Was it the internet? No it wasnt. People not using the internet, or not using a mobile phone are perfectly happy and do not miss a single thing without which they could not live. The last invention which really affected everybody and everything was the car. It gave us the possibility to see more of the world, it affected the environment (roads, pollution), it affected the economy. It changed the face of the earth. All the other new and revolutionary technologies are mere trifles in our lives. What does this all have to do with our discussion? Well, whether you use vinyl or final scratch, the progression will always made by your mind, by the things you play, by the feeling you can pass on to people listening. Making things easier has absolutely nothing to do with progress, its called laziness, and IMO its laziness which brings things to a halt. I prefer to play with vinyls, and I dont care to tow along truckloads of record bags, I feel good with it, and if you think that makes me a narrow-minded, old-fashioned conservative, you couldnt be more wrong. RD >I can't believe the things I read on this list. This list, which uses >the works of Alvin Toffler in vain and frequently evokes the imagry of >Blade Runner and music created in a present future dystopia, and then I >read crap like this: > >"Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would >make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on >something >else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead." > >"The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the >crackle of the record under the needle... there's >something spiritual and special about vinyl that no >other media can replicate." > >"Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. >Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been >after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track" > >"Seeing a set being pieced together with records and >the DJ making the set come together is part of the >thrill and artform." > >"Do you really want to watch some dude just press a few >buttons on a computer, a pre-planned set, there could be no spontaneity, >by default. It would be as boring as hell. Any fool could use the new >system as it would be a relative cinch." > >"I can't see too many house DJs adopting the new thing" > >"Like aren't some of the hip-hop turntablists establishing a way of >notating scratches?" > > >I also sometimes wonder about about the reading ability of people on >this list. I seem to recall saying "the only aspect of DJ'ing that it >changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play." Do >you people have that much difficulty with English? Is the Aussie >dialect really that difficult that it doesn't penetrate the quoted >sentence? I will break down the sentence: > >*the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes* - this implies there is only >one aspect, but there are actually two, now I see why you are all >confused. >*is the carrying of vinyl* - this is aspect one, the DJ doesn't have to >carry around as much vinyl anymore. How much less is up to the >individual. >*and selecting of tracks to play* - this is the other aspect, the DJ no >longer has to flip through a box of records. > >PAY ATTENTION!!!!! THE PERFORMER STILL MUST BUILD A SET, MUST STILL >PLACE THE NEEDLE ON A RECORD ON A TECHNICS 1200, MUST STILL MATCH BEATS, >MUST STILL CREATE A MOMENTARY EVENT, MUST STILL LOOK FOR HO'S, MUST >STILL TRY NOT TO KNOCK THE NEEDLE WHEN BLOWING COKE, MUST STILL DECIDE >IF RECORD 'B' IS SUITABLE TO PLAY AFTER RECORD 'A', ETC ETC >ET-FU**ING-CETERA..... > >So with that out of the way and because I am bored and incredulous I >will respond to each of these in order. > >"Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would >make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on >something >else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead." > >--> How the hell is looking through a box for something you can't find >and maybe left at home part of any artform?!? And is this any different >than the DJ looking through the porn folder on their computer and >finding some track and thinking "oh yeah that's where I downloaded that >stupid thing, my mouse must have slipped while I was typing with one >hand, lemme play this now because I am so spontaneous and >un-calculated." > >"The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the >crackle of the record under the needle... there's >something spiritual and special about vinyl that no >other media can replicate." > >--> Oh my God....If this is so important to you and there is a big >enough market then I'm sure each unit will come with an ebony rod and a >piece of rabbit fur so you can make all the static electricy you can >manage, or just buy a nitrous balloon (empty it how you like, I don't >care) reinflate the balloon, rub it on your head and then touch the >leads on your equuipment, you'll get all the crackles your heart >desires. Similarly if you really want crackles I'm sure someone will >build you Kai's PowerCrackles for SoundForge. > >"Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. >Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been >after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track" > >--> Imagine the joys of actually learning how to play the bass, and then >play the piano, and then play the drums, and then putting it all >together to make a song, not just press the "Drums" button and having >instant rhythm. AND ANYWAY WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT PUSHING >BUTTONS?!?!?! This is not some button pushing technology, like all >positive technologies it's a liberating technology, it liberates people >from carrying lots of weight and protects them from possible paper cuts >on sharp sleeves. > >"Seeing a set being pieced together with records and >the DJ making the set come together is part of the >thrill and artform." > >--> I agree, but I don't recall saying that Final Scratch connects to >the Internet, downloads Paul Oakenfold set 01-01-01 and proceeds to play >it allowing the DJ to wander off to the VIP room and get some oral sex >treatment. > >"Do you really want to watch some dude just press a few >buttons on a computer, a pre-planned set, there could be no spontaneity, >by default. It would be as boring as hell. Any fool could use the new >system as it would be a relative cinch." > >--> See above. Also, how many times have you heard the same set from a >DJ a year or so later. Just because an option for a pre-planned set >doesn't exist currently doesn't mean that many DJ's don't already have >their "set" and are just on automatic pilot. As for "any fool..." I >can't believe you are actually >stupid enough to really believe that, especially not on this list, a >list about music made with machines that I *KNOW* the exact same thing >has been said about, "any damn fool can turn on a machine and make >sound, but that's not music, music is made by a bunch of sweaty guys in >a garage annoying the neighbours by wailing away on plastik/steel/wooden >implements." Think before you squeek. > >"I can't see too many house DJs adopting the new thing" > >--> The modern DJ is a product of evolution, the future DJ will also >be. As for house DJ's, the main propent of this system is Acquaviva, >last I checked he was pretty "house" maybe he's changed in the last >three weeks. > >"Like aren't some of the hip-hop turntablists establishing a way of >notating scratches?" > >--> Oh yeah did I mention the name, Final Scratch, it hasn't been fully >professionlly turntablist tested yet, but it scratches exactly like you >would expect. > >Ok there's one thing people may not realize; this music is mostly >digital, so the natural and obvious evolution of this music is to a >system of digital distribution, and in order for this to be effective >there needs to be a platform creating demand for music in digital form, >preferably one that maintains all the positive aspects of the current >paradigm, and addresses the shortcomings as well. Like I said, this >system removes the weight of vinyl (which sucks) and removes the need >for searching through a box, which I assign a neutral value as it's >neither a positive or negative aspect. > >One of the biggest things that digital distribution will address is >artificial scarcity. Physical music is limited by it's ability to be >replicated and distributed. I hear some of you whining about "now >everyone will have my limited edition SesameStreet BootieHouse Mix by >Pink Floyd" yeah so what? If you actually have to base your sense of >self-worth on how many fu**ing obscure records you have then you have my >sympathy and I will do all I can to prevent you from losing more of your >self-esteem. > >Good GOD, if you people can't deal with technological and social change >now I'd hate to see you when you're 50+. > >Tosh > >--------------------------------------------------------- --------- Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com
