From: "tim maughan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [313] Before you dis Moby....
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:15:19 +0100
hey man...im not out to diss moby for the sake of it....to be honest, i
just
find his music really, really dull.
the same way i find a lot of hawtins stuff dull.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Cc: "tim maughan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [313] Before you dis Moby....
> Ok,
>
> You've all had a great laugh at Moby, and man I bet he's just crying.
None
> of you know the man, most of you have never seen his face other than on
T.V.
> So what do you know about him? What he feeds to the media? Let's print
off
> everything aybody ever says on this list and hold them to it for the
rest
of
> their lives. Get off your horse! People change. I've gone through so
many
> musical shifts in my lifetime it's uncanny, and I'm sure the whole lot
of
> you grew up with techno too right? Please.
>
> Take away the definition of the artist, take away the words and the
> interviews, the commercials and the movies. They are all just money
making
> schemes of the music industry. Now listen to the music. Just the
music.
> Is it all that bad? Can you not feel some emotion emanating from it?
>
> RE: White boy stole gospel samples and makes mockery of oppression.
This
is
> a load of crap, with all the makings of bad religous overtones and
racism
> galore. It's funny, in the cd copy of 'Play' I have beside me now all
the
> samples are acknowledged in the liner notes and moreover the songs
capture
a
> playful nature with subtle longing underneath. Make of this what you
will
> but it seems to connect in a lot of ways.
>
> I first heard 'Porcelain' in a commercial for Bailey's Irish Cream. I
first
> heard several other tracks on the album while watching 'The Beach". I
liked
> these songs, and I didn't know who the artist was. Moreover I still
don't
> care that it was Moby, it's good music.
>
> I don't usually feel this compelled to stick up for anybody, but jeez,
you
> would love to think that Moby is a narrow minded prick. Maybe it's all
of
> you who can't get past the media surrounding him, or the fact that he's
> using his music to make himself some cash (God forbid and artist use
his/her
> work to make money). A good foil for this would be Mr. Hawtin, who
despite
> not saying much to the media has fed you all the biggest lie: DEFX909.
It's
> a great recording, but contains nothing that you all hold so dear about
it
> ie. it's mixed by a computer (pro tools), and there is no FX and no 909.
> It's all a lie and you've let yourselves be taken. Rich too is trying
to
> grab some cash while he can, he knows techno won't be fresh forever and
that
> being a professional DJ isn't a lifelong career. He has simply taken a
> different route to the same goal; cash grab.
>
> Techno has pigeon holed itself as I predicted it would back in 93. Back
> then so much more was acceptable, it wasn't as defined and made
producing
> techno for Moby much more interesting. Since techno has been
overdefined
by
> the headz and the critics, Moby no longer fits the mold. He wants to go
> play in other fields as well. Rich is going to suck techno dry. He had
to
> play last at DEMF last year though Derrick deserved it more than anyone
> else. He couldn't be recorded because he knows he's a limited
commodity.
>
> Open your eyes people its the music industry and you know what they say
> "When in Rome, do as the Romans".
>
> Think before typing, your shoes are not your own
> todd
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tim maughan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "christos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [313] Before you dis Moby....
>
>
> > "...And at that time there was so much great house music and techno
being
> > > made, so in the early 90's I didn't pay attention to it at all...why
> when
> > > I can go listen to Derrick May, why would I want to listen to
N.W.A.?"
> >
> > sorry - but all that shows me about maybe is that he's narrow minded.
im
> > down with dre, cube et al just as much as i am with derrick.
> >
> > moby made a handful of interesting records back in the day ("go" being
the
> > mosty notable) - but now all he does is make boring sub indie/trip hop
> > nastiness for 30 something advertising executives and those that think
> they
> > know about dance music cos they saw fatboy slim on mtv.
> >
> > (gets of soapbox)
> >
> > cheers;)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "christos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:23 PM
> > Subject: [313] Before you dis Moby....
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I can honestly say that I do not know much about Moby's music, but
his
> > > last interview in a recent URB definately caught my eye. Check out
> these
> > > quotes. The first one was a responce on what he thought of Hip Hop
now
> > > and then:
> > >
> > > "...And at that time there was so much great house music and techno
> being
> > > made, so in the early 90's I didn't pay attention to it at all...why
> when
> > > I can go listen to Derrick May, why would I want to listen to
N.W.A.?"
> > >
> > > Believe it or not, even though he is mainstream, he was still
influenced
> > > by the Detroit pioneers.
> > >
> > > To be honest, I dont think it will be a horrible thingif he gets
booked.
> > > He will attract a lot of people, maybe even more out of towners, and
i
> > > doubt that they will show up for his set and leave, refusing to
expose
> > > themselves to that "313 stuff." I mean last year on the main stage
on
> the
> > > last night, the line up was Kevin Saunderson, Rolando, Derrick May,
and
> > > Richie Hawtin. How can you ever expect to come close to that every
year
> > > without rehashing the same lineup?
> > >
> >
>
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> > >
> > > "if heaven ain't a lot like detroit, I don't want to go. if heaven
ain't
> a
> > > lot like detroit, I'd just assume stay home. If they ain't got no
8-mile
> > > like they do up in the D, just send me to hell or salt lake city,
it'd
> be
> > > about the same to me"
> > > -Uncle Kracker
> >
>
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