(~~~~I hate myself for chiming in on this thread~~~~~)
Here are the facts:
Many Detroit producers have shelled out their hearts and their pocketbooks
for the thing that they love (black, white, polish, ect.). These people are
in it for the long haul. They would love to sell a million copies, or be
content with current sales. They just want their message to be heard.
Along comes someone else who is not making music for the same purpose, but
instead for the paycheck and strictly that (see numerous long threads
describing "underground", and "sellout"). These people could be any race
and any creed. It doesn't matter. It just so happens that the guy whose
name starts with "M" (see long torturous debate last month), just happens to
be classed with those who are "in it for the money".
The bottom line is: our music isn't really that popular, and most folks on
this list are afraid that if it ever became popular, the music would lose
its luster. It won't, you'll just have to dig deeper for the stuff that you
love. You may have to wade through more garbage to get the soulful stuff,
but it doesn't change the quality of the music we have now, or we will have
in the future.
Now for the ford part: (ugh... I can't believe this has to be reiterated)
Ford is trying to sell cars (see long list of discussion re:ford focus vs.
Juan Atkins last year this time)
Ford sponsors things that they think will sell their cars.
Music will help sell Ford's cars.
Ford is in Dearborn: Detroit Techno is really close by.
Ford (actually their marketing company) thinks that Techno will help them
with the customers that elude them presently (namely: us). Ford also thinks
that Moby will help them sell cars to people of our generation. Who cares.
If you don't like Ford, then don't buy one. If you like Ford, buy one. It
doesn't matter who is sponsering what event. If you think that a free event
(namely the DEMF) will go on without a major corporate sponsor, you're
entirely incorrect.
At least Carl Craig has the sense to use the corporately corrupt and heavily
advertising-bent society that we live in, to throw a free Festival that is
soaked in the soul and music that we all love and respect.
I think we should all drop this and listen to more records - peace.
Cheers!
Dennis Donohue
From: "laura gavoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
Subject: RE: [313] the race debate
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:40:52
With a tag line of: Ford Focus...Detroit Techno sponsoring a Moby
tour...what do you suggest?
Shall a Mike Banks or a Juan Atkins for example, sit back and let someone
else make his money and benefit from their efforts while they are
quintessentially excluded and pushed aside. What kind of juveniles do you
all think created this music and mentality? These are grown men and women,
with families to support and REAL bills to pay.
Are our dreams of financial success and acclaim to be kicked to the curb
for
the greater good? What the f**k are you all saying ANYWAY?
It is simply not in our nature, nor in the nature of the culture of
aggressive creative individualism/techno to simply lie down and take
a fist up the rump. Can we try at least to approach this as grown business
people. After all, 313 CREATED this business and now the majors and
stupid,
tagalong "bad" white people wish to exploit it and us for the sake of the
dollar.
I'm disgusted with the apathy being exhibited in this thread. Life is not
E
based. That is simply NOT REAL y'all. Parties that bring all the races
together are incredible....BUT THEY ARE JUST PARTIES. Party life and the
esoterics of the music are NOT what we are discussing here at all.
How would any of you like it if you busted yo ass 24-7 for 10+ years and
someone else got paid for your work. Would this not raise your ire?? Come
one kiddies, let's talk reality here.
A trance rip-off of Jaguar was just the tip of the iceberg. If you truly
believe in this music and culture perhaps you might like to join in the
fight for its defense and longevity.
From: Steven Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [313] the race debate
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:19:52 +0100
> Some of you will be the first in line to buy your tickets,
> but I caution
> you. If this does, in fact, occur as it has been outlined to
> me, the global
> family...and I mean the FOR REAL mugs-- the world over-- will
> respond. Try
> to take over, white wash, distort, divert or dilute any of our
> accomplishments or economics and there will be consequences.
> We are a force
> to be reckoned with when unified and I cannot think of a
> better opportunity!
Or we could just ignore them and keep doing it better, action not reaction
you know?
Steve
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