I'm hearing you, Laura. I really am. I just don't think that people should
generalize. I remember Detroit back in the late '70's...everyone with a
brand new Big 3 car in their driveway...even at 6 mile and lodge..then
crack...and all of the shutdowns. Hell, my block in high school had not 1,
but 3 crack houses (that I knew of) on it. No one in my family, thankfully,
ever worked for the auto industry (I know, a bit strange for Detroit) but
plenty of families in our neighborhood did. That new car every year turned
into the same car for the last 6 years.
Sure, corporations have no love for the common man and his dream. You have
to keep yourself valuable to maintain in that structure. Thankfully, in our
current information age I don't think we'll ever have to worry about the
"shouting voices" clamoring to be heard. What I do have a sense of is that
corporations have been dirty since there have been corporations and that
changing their business practices through protests have generally not
helped.
I hear my grandfather speaking all of his relatives having to work in coal
mines because there was no other work. At least we have a choice thanks to
those brave, unfortunate souls. The media helps corporations by shuffling
things under the carpet. When's the last time you've seen or heard anything
about Firestone?
The Lord helps those who helps themselves...
Peace and Respect,
Alex Lugo
"laura
gavoor" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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12:26 PM
A:
Worked at a few major corporations myself. Only comment I can make is that
they REQUIRE watchdogs both for ecological, political, sociological as
well
as a myriad of other reasons.
Power to ya that you've found a good one. Amercia is and more than likely
always remain a Davey vs. Goliath /lil' guy vs. big entity kind of country.
You simply cannot tell me you have not one issue associated with corporate
mistrust/anti-trust/mega-machinations....
Pick your issue and holler loudly, goddamnit!!! Hoperfully others with a
like mind will add inspiration and energy to whatever cause you may choose.
If there is a cause you may champion, however, more than likely there is a
corporation on the opposing side of the table.
Please let's not be so dismissive. In this city, ATM, having JUST
recovered
from rampant unemployment (double digit) for well over 20 years....the
feeling is this........if Bush f**ks with our flow.....brothas will be
marching!!!
It is just that simple...people gotta eat and pay the rent. When they
cannot, civil unrest will not be repressed. I'm rather tire of the apathy
that has abounded while (for the last 20 years) we've all been scramblin'
to
make a dolar outta $.50
Detroiters--for the first time in a very long time have recently had a
taste
of being gainfully employed and LIKE IT OR NOT are seriously on edge since
the economy flip-flopped back in Nov.
Have a sense of the times......
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "laura gavoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [313] 70's rhetoric!!!
>Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:10:14 -0400
>
>
>Excellent discourse, Tristan! I find it rather annoying that certain
>individuals that constantly bi*** about corporations have never actually
>had to experience a corporate job. Yeah, I know, you can always go work
>somewhere else. Sometimes that's just not possible. And no, not all
>corporations are alike. I've for several different companies: EDS,
>Chrysler, and now my present position. My new job is corporate, but I tell
>you what, I'd stay here forever. It's a great place!
>
>The point is that there is good and bad in everything. I'd like to stay at
>home all day, make music, and do nothing (a la the movie Office Space). It
>is very easy to say corporations suck but they are unfortunately, a
>necessary evil. An evil telecommunications corporation is allowing me to
>read all of your messages and send my own. I think that's swell!
>
>Pick your fights. Speak softly and carry a big stick. That's what will get
>everyone's attention. Constant ranting and raving about corporations will
>not change a damn thing.
>
>Peace All,
>Alex
>
>
>
>
> "laura
> gavoor" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:
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>rhetoric!!!
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> 05/03/01
> 11:53 AM
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>
>
>
>
>Power To The People!!!!!!!!!
>
>.....is one I've dusted off for the new millenium ;-)
>
>LG
>
>
> >From: Phonopsia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [313] Ford steals souls....[long] veering OT
> >Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:17:06 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Being in the employ of one of the largest corporations in
> >the world, I can say that I've seen a lot of bullshit. I
> >had to work 60-80 hour weeks for almost a year when I first
> >got a salaried position. I recently watched 5000 layoffs go
> >down. It sucks. I've also seen things get better for me
> >over time. That's how it works *sometimes* in the corporate
> >world.
> >
> >However, I can't entirely hate my job or my employer.
> >They've given me the opportunity to grow within the company
> >and learn a lot of new skills. Additionally, I think you
> >really need to have long-term first-hand experience of the
> >corporate world if you want to know what makes this country
> >tick. Big money runs America. When you watch the gears
> >turning internally, you see exactly how it goes down in the
> >U.S. government.
> >
> >I'm able to stomach my work here because I've been very
> >lucky to land a consumer advocacy position within the
> >company. I probably would've left by now if my job duties
> >didn't specifically entail that I'm looking out for the
> >little guy. Even though there are horror stories like
> >John's, you need to keep in mind that big corporations
> >don't act "as one" any more than any other large group.
> >There are good efforts and bad efforts, good bosses and bad
> >bosses, and generally the head doesn't know what the tail
> >is doing. My entire job is to try and keep things in check.
> >If that doesn't explain how messy the corporate world is,
> >then I don't know what does.
> >
> >I guess my point is that hating corporations is as
> >meaningless as hating goverment. The object of your disdain
> >is simply to broad. I'm probably in agreement with most of
> >you that are speaking up, but I think that broad statements
> >like "corprorate America sucks" are nothing more than a
> >rallying cry. Let's recall that some of the worst moments
> >in human history have been initiated through meaningless
> >rhetoric.
> >
> >Tristan
> >
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