No flame here cause that's what I'm squawkin'. Actually, I can't even see the problem with the store selling it because if it sold, the retailers may decide to stock it, especially before its due out.
Perhaps retailers do that to see if there's a demand.

Running a label myself, all I hope for by the time promos copies end up in stores or is sold by individuals in which ever way they do, is that the promos themselves have resulted in sales, write ups, forged and fortified beneficial business relationships, and air/dj play, and they have. That in itself justifies the expense and it beats them sitting on your living room floor gathering dust.

My 2 cents,

--Shameless


Tom Robbins/Tom Magic Feet wrote:

Try as I might, I can't see the problem here. The guy's paid for the record,
so it's his to do with as he likes: sell, give away, review, use as frisbee,
whatever. He could snap it over his knee if he felt like it, that's his
right. Loads of people buy and sell records for a living, that's part of the
scene, just as it it is in all other musical genres. In fact, they provide a
real & valued service to collectors. Someone somewhere will buy this from
him and be glad of it, and if they do pay more than the shop price (which
can vary wildly from store to store anyway) no-one will have twisted their
arm and they will probably consider it worth it anyway in order to get a
promo copy of a major release. Finally, it's not like he's stopping anyone
else owning it - anyone who wants it will have the opportunity to buy it
upon its official release.

If someone IS at fault here then maybe it's the store Matthew bought his
white from. Did they pay for their promo? My understanding is that some
distributors/labels charge shops for promos, some don't. If they didn't,
then they are the ones making a dodgy profit (and even then I wouldn't knock
'em for it, it's hard enought to make a living selling this music and to a
large extent they - the shops - are the ones keeping it alive and viable).
If they did, then surely everyone - label/artist, distributor, shop,
customer - got their piece of the pie? And it ain't often that happens.

Fact: pretty much every DJ, journo etc out there sells on their unwanted
promos, 99% of which will have been unsolicited anyway. It's part of the
biz. That's all.

Flame on.
TOM



With all due respect, I was merely trying to put the record in the hands

of someone that would really get some use

out of it by playing it out.

AND make some extra money for yourself at the same time!  Chances are that
anyone who would have picked it up in the store would have wanted it for
themselves anyway (not to sell and make extra money).  Sh*t, at least
publish a review of it before selling it - that way you give back
*something* to the company who's toes your stepping on.

Sorry if I offended you by trying to put your record in the hands of

someone that would play it-- its what I do for >a living.

So, you consider yourself a distributor?

MEK






                   "Matthew Mangold"
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                   01/13/02 10:59 AM        Subject:     RE: [313] FA:

ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label)






I knew when I saw it in the store
that there were lots of people on the 313 list that would
love to get their hands on a copy, and I, myself, would not
play the piece. So I *BOUGHT* it, because, in the almost
four years that Ive been selling records here in Detroit, I
have not ONCE received a white label from Puzzlebox.
On the other hand, labels and artists that DO personally
give me promo white labels, like Mike Grant, KDJ, Plus 8/
M-nus, and Planet-E, I do keep in my personal collection,
and would not think of auctioning them off. Sorry if I offended
you by trying to put your record in the hands of someone
that would play it-- its what I do for a living.

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: Puzzlebox Records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 3:55 AM
To: innercity records; 313
Subject: Re: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label)


And They Claim to have love for the music. We at Puzzlebox probably gave
him the white label before its released in a few weeks and this is the
love we get.

Puzzlebox Records
All things will come to pass

Thanks for the real support InnercityRecords and the real 313 'rs

innercity records wrote:

scandalous.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Mangold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313 <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:17 AM
Subject: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label)


ebay item #1501390504 A Number of Names - 'Shari Vari' (2x12) PBX-6

WHITE

LABEL (Original and Remixes)

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