(313 reference in third paragraph of reply)
"... it isn't something that can be 'stopped,' no matter what activists in
Seattle may wish. It simply IS - the dominant economic system governing the
entire post-Cold War world. "
This is a common and dangerous misconception about the "anti-globalization"
movement. If you look at the most active organizations/people in the
movement you will find that they argue for a different form of
globalization that puts control into the hands of the majority of the
people of a country, the "workers" if your a marxist. It seems that you are
arguing that we should be happy that our corporations are making deals with
small technologically elite ruling classes in other countries, that doesn't
jive with me. I'm not comfortable with my government funding and training
small military controlling classes that rule the majority through terror (
for obvious examples look at Pinochet in Chile, Sutharta in Indonesia,
Hussein in Iraq, the Shah of Iran ... most latin american countries at some
point in the last century). I'm not comfortable with they way that the US
government does most things.
"it's like feminists complaining about the 'capitalist patriarchy,'
when industrial capitalism is what allowed this unprecedented era of gender
equity to exist in the first place."
Industrial capitalism didn't allow for gender equity to exist, Industrial
workers did. Like the thousands of girls young women who striked for weeks
in the cold of winter at the textile mills in Lowell MA because the working
conditions were horrendous (there was a horrible fire that killed a whole
bunch of workers because the owners would lock the workers in on each
floor, is one of many examples). This is similar to the argument that we
shouldn't be out hollering on the streets about how bad our government is
because we live in an open society. We live in an open society BECAUSE
people have been out hollering on the streets. The US government has
grudgingly had to loosen it's hold on the people because of massive
organizing against racist laws mostly throughout the South, and because of
the early unions who had to battle the National guard just to get us an 8
hour day!
As for UR and techno in all of this: UR are capitalists because they live
in a capitalist world, they want to make music so they sell records. Sony
are capitalists because they control the capitalist world (along with AOL
Time warner, Dupont, and the other two or three companies that control most
of today's industry) and because they want to maximize their own profit at
all costs, like a cancer cell. Capitalism is only one way to exchange
information and goods, and to say that UR's beautiful music couldn't exist
without capitalism is, quite frankly, shortsighted and it doesn't give the
music the credit it deserves.
Jamie
the very music we cherish is sustained by botique/niche capitalism. the
technology which allows it to exist is the province of global conglomerates.
it was inspired, in part, by the assembly line itself. just because the
music is underground doesn't mean it's Marxist. the very idea that you could
love techno music and not implicitly embrace or at least reconcile yourself
with capitalism is, itself, a product of capitalist consumer lifestyle
choice. it's like feminists complaining about the "capitalist patriarchy,"
when industrial capitalism is what allowed this unprecedented era of gender
equity to exist in the first place.
take UR as an example. they exist to "fight the programmers" through sonic
revolution. but they're actually a business proposition. their music and
iconography may explicitly and implicitly critique the homogenizing extremes
of global capitalism, but it couldn't exist without that capitalism. to me,
theirs is the real path toward keeping culture vibrant and alive in the face
of the dominant system of globalization: acceptance of the system and the
development of alternative marketplaces. not whinging about "globalization"
as if it were something that could be stopped if only we got enough people
to sign petitions.
brian
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Subject: [313] submerge.panel
yeah this is a little late but.....
i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demf....it had a very "pro
technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since technology
has played a _large_ part in the rising levels of inequality both in the
united states (the income of the poorest 20 percent of households has fallen
in real terms by about 15 percent in the last 25 years) as well as in
developing countries (increases in technology have led to globalization
which has led to dramatic increases in inequity in these countries)..i
understand that the panelists were not there to speak on such things but all
of us have a responsiblity to understand our place in the world
back to the music
kathleen
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