Again I'll emphasise the point. Numan didn't mind them reusing his work because he was given credit and more than likely it'd increase his sales. I've lost count of the number of posts on here where people will ask about where a certain sample came from and then go and buy the original? I know I've done that before. It's not just about getting money for the actual use of the sample but having your name printed on the record/CD. Publicity if you like.

That's the issue here I think, not whether you should be allowed to sample or not.

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Ian Cheshire wrote:
well basically like Robert says everything can be sampled, so nothing is
safe, whether they have to pay or not.. I also agree with some pionts that
the Webmaster from Submerge raised. if my old work was down and out then
yeah re-work it man and see how it sounds now.. like Gary Numan did with
Cars ,he loved it and really did not mind that Armin and Sugar babes nicked
it, maybe sometimes we all need to be that free and easy with our music.I
mean lets not forget music is like history it just keep on repeating itself.

Maybe father hood is making me clam down more,  lets all be free and loving
people , sharing the wonders of life :)
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From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 August 2002 09:50
To: 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Williams, Howard'; 313 (E-mail)
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Oh please the Jaguar case was completely different!

Sonny wanted to license Th Jaguar from UR, send multiple faxes to UR and UR
told Sonny that they where not interested in a deal with Sonny. So Sonny
just coppied the whole track and released it with a lot of references to
Jaguar, they stole the complete track after they could not get the original
track, Beasty Boys just sampled 6 seconds from a track, how many House and
Techno artist don't sample 6 seconds and loop them i think the list is about
endless....

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this is true.. The Jaguar sample was not asked for by Sony, so
would this be classed also as a free piece of music to have?

Robert your comments please..

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Sent: 14 August 2002 09:32
To: 313 (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [313] > can you post this to the 313 list... ?


313,

bit late on this one - how do you guys n gals see this in relation to the oft maligned Jaguar rip off scenario? i've not heard the beasties lift of this six second sample so i can't comment on that
do the two scenarios even begin to compare?

in the case of Jaguar, any right minded folk should obviously side with UR

it appears not so clear cut with the beasties, i'm just curious where the
line is being drawn,

H

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