on 4/11/03 6:49 PM, jurren baars at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thomas D. Cox, Jr wrote:
> 
>> my main point is this: limited releases purposely limited are elitist. i 
>> cant understand why something as populist as dance music should be elite. 
>> ive never been a supporter of limited releases, i think that everything 
>> should just be available to the people who want it so that the good 
>> feelings can be spread as far and wide as possible. limiting production 
>> does 2 things: it drives up the price of the music, and it limits who can 
>> deejay or listen to a certain song.
> 
> well i can come up with an argument that proves quite the contrary:
> 
> dunno how many of you record buying 313ers are dj-ing on a regular basis, 
> but to those who do: what kind of records do you tend to play when playing 
> out?

Not many, it would be accurate to say the scene is about elitism, most people 
who buy this 
music are record collectors and not there are not very many clubs (in the US) 
who play or support
quality techno 
djs/artist.

In my opinion the elitist politics like on the 313 list are counter productive 
in generating a
more wide scale interest in 
techno music.
For example, just by observing record store stock list that I'm subscribed to 
(I do not have
accesses to distributor 
stock list like many people here) I noticed there are a lot of 313 music from 
labels that do not 
get discussed here or posted for review by the mailing list administrator.

As for your question above my answer is: No.
I no longer spend even a small portion of my income on new music, because in my 
opinion the 
majority of new music is not worthy of purchase.
It's just not very high on my priority list.
If there was a way to supplement my income like a club residency to fund new 
music 
purchases I would buy more records such as the new Jeff Mills, music that 
sounds decent but I
normally wouldn't buy.

> are those the records that everyone and their mother is playing, or do 
> you try to dig a bit deeper in your box, to present to the crowd songs they 
> may not hear every night?
> 
> second how many of you record buyers do dj at all? and for those who don't: 
> how many other people besides yourself get to hear the records you own?

I buy music for myself because I enjoy listening to a great record.
It's a form of entertainment, notice I said 'great' record not a decent or 
mediocre sounding 
record.

> my point is that most of the music discussed on this list hardly ever gets 
> heard by anyone outside the usual suspects. 

I would agree with that assessment.

> by pressing limited copies, you 
> might indirectly encourage dj's to play your music, whereby it does reach a 
> bigger audience then just the people that normally buy your records.
> 
> jurren

Moodyman has the correct marketing plan behind his music by making it rare and 
limited, it 
increases the value of him as an artist and his music, the collectability of 
his records is one of

the major reasons for his popularity.
In my opinion and from what I observed the demand for his music is mostly based 
on hype, in 
fact I would suspect that the statement on U.R.'s web site about bootlegging a 
rare Moodyman 
record is part propaganda designed to boost the value of his records.

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