really i dont go out to hear music too often because for me it is
all about music. i dont need to be entertained, i can entertain
myself. i go out to hear music that is being manipulated by
someone in particular, i dont care how they manipulate it.

hey same here, and i'm with lester too. i'm not trying to make some mission statement about how i refuse to be entertained by a laptop performance. i just dont like to see things getting homogenized.

what LIVE means to me. live doesnt mean moving around a whole
bunch. it means live sound manipulation be it a laptop, a
keyboard, or deejaying.

true, as i specifically said, i wasnt trying to argue a laptop performance isnt live. i just think it's a bleak future for electronic music performance.

lemme make a stupid art analogy. there is artwork that is direct, it is what it is -- colors, form, pretty picture, boom ok there it is. then there is more conceptual art where you have to understand the process that went into making the piece, the idea behind it, to really appreciate what is going on with it. i dont want techno performance to become so slanted towards the conceptual that the more direct performance is a rarity -- which i think it is already becoming...i live in a place where this sh;t is finally starting to catch on a little bit, but these conceptual things don't draw new fans because they dont understand...going back to what tristan was saying about audiences, it would be just fine if they did, if the right audience was here, but it's not. and this is true all over the place.

i understand the conceptual side, and i'm sure most people on this list do...but what about those who aren't all techno geeky etc like us? this is what i meant by elitist.

i can (and often times do) just like to sit there and feel the
music and the vibe in the room with my eyes closed.

yeah so do i. i still maintain there can and maybe should be more than just an aural aspect to live electronic music performance. i dont think this is any sort of crazy idea. yes i appreciate music by itself. i was hoping that was a given...i dont have a bias against how an ableton mix may sound, but how it is performed, yes...i can still enjoy it, i am just concerned with the trend, more and more laptops, final scratch, ableton, noooo...i'm not trying to draw a line in the sand, my feelings arent all one way or another, just talking y'know..

jt

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