Ha, I bet Sony and BMG would have loved to have tried to pull this one out the bag when they were wrangling with UR!
----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 list" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Re: (313) "Jaguar" Strings on 80s House record? > > > > > I think most musicologists would argue the opposite Ken - those string > lines aren't generic, because they are recognizable parts of another song - > the 80s track - and they do not depend on context for distinctiveness - > because you can recognize those strings when they are used in another song > (Knights of the Jaguar) and ID them as being used in a "source" song (the > 80s track - what is the title of it by the way?). > > If this wasn't the case I could lift the bassline from Michael Jackson's > "Billy Jean" and get away with it AND nobody would know where the bassline > is from. Which I highly doubt. > > Just like you can ID the "pump up the volume" vocal as being used in > M/A/R/R/S and sourced from Eric B. & Rakim > > To me it sounds like he cleaned up the sample plus gave it a tempo > adjustment or played it note for note (but it's so close it sounds like a > sample) - it's quite obvious a lift from that tune. > And we were all able to ID right away - nobody has said - "gee that sounds > like the strings used in Strings of Life" - no we all said Knights of the > Jaguar so it's not generic at all. > > It's a prosecuting copyright lawyer's wish come true > > "The legal test is whether a sample is recognizable. It is not true that > you are allowed to use up to 4 bars or 10 seconds or any part of another > song." > > MEK > > > > > > Kent williams > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313 list > <313@hyperreal.org> > cc: > > 08/04/03 01:08 PM Subject: Re: (313) "Jaguar" > Strings on 80s House record? > > > > > > > > > It also is note for note the same as the beginning couple of bars of the > strings in Jaguar ... just interesting to compare. > > My friend who found that thought that Rolando was copying; I argued that > the string line on both are fairly generic and depend on the context for > any distinctiveness. > > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: > > Well they use the same (Oberheim?) synth for sure, but that is where > > the comparison ends i think? > > > > On maandag, aug 4, 2003, at 19:48 Europe/Amsterdam, Kent williams wrote: > > > > > My friend Rich found this: > > > > > > http://www.psychiatry.uiowa.edu/~kent/Carino-TCOY.mp3 > > > > > > Listen to the string synth at the beginning, contrast and compare with > > > synth strings in "Night of the Jaguar" > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.
