do not intend to get into this rather interesting debate on good/bad Mills, just want to mention that I bought all three ep's without proper listen and paid EUR 9.50 before VAT reduction (13.89 %). So it is less than 6 pounds per EP. Yeah, no promotion but this was at Hard Wax, Germany.
Believe me or not - I am not pissed Peace mislav -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:10 PM To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; atomly; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0; Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT); '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: (313) axis It's hard to imagine Mills being that bad. I would say don't give up, give him another chance if you get the opportunity. If you catch him on the right night he'll blow you away with his mixing. I've experienced myself at both Lost & Sonar. You don't get a reputation like Mills has for mixing badly & distorting systems everywhere you go. Risk being a fool once more ;o) "Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Blackman, Ryan ch.eu.com> (UKEKT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 16/01/2004 09:01 313@hyperreal.org, atomly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax to: Subject: RE: (313) axis hahahahaha!!!! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 11:33 To: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly Subject: RE: (313) axis embarrassed for him for crashing mixes and distroting the system. embarrassed for the mindless people who didn't seem to notice. embarrassed for my friends who got wasted just to enjoy themselves (once it was clear the music wouldn't do) embarrassed for the out-of-towners who travelled miles for something special embarrassed for the soundguy who wasn't 'allowed' to make the most obvious technical corrections to the mixer that Mills had jacked embarrassed for this culture for continuing to hold up someone who so clearly doesn't deserve it anymore embarrassed for myself for never learning my lesson and continuing to bother fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me three times... On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: > Embarassed about what? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 January 2004 11:43 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: /0; 313@hyperreal.org; atomly > Subject: Re: (313) axis > > > having been disappointed (borderline embarrased) the last 3 times I've > seen mills- i don't think you could pay me to leave the house and go see > him. > > maybe if i was already there... > > or if everyoen i know was going, making it more of a social thing. > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >I guess its his choice > > > > exactly. > > > > >I still would pay 15 bux to go see him > > > > as would I > > > > I think too many people expect too much from him or come to his shows with > > expectations of what a Jeff Mills show is and then when he doesn't deliver > > their preconceived notion they get in his face. I know it's happened > > because he's mentioned it on his discussion board. > > > > I don't think Detroit is "under" him - possibly he thinks it's behind him, > > as in his past. Maybe there's bad memories - who the f*ck but Jeff Mills > > and those whom he's told really know so people should just let the man be > > and go see him where he *does* play. > > > > and the high price on the limited 3x12" - well maybe he figures he has to > > make his money NOW because maybe he figures who ever is going to buy it > > will upload it to soulseek or what ever file share they are using and then > > everyone will have it for free. > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > "/0" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "atomly" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > mi.net> cc: > <313@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: Re: (313) axis > > 01/14/04 05:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its his loss at this point. maybe he's afraid he cant compete with the > new > > talents coming out of detroit now. maybe detroits under him. I guess its > > his choice, theres more gig opportunity than there is mills to go around > > > > even tho he still plays the same records as 3 years ago, I still would pay > > 15 bux to go see him if he could stomach a night in detroit :) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "atomly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:49 PM > > Subject: Re: (313) axis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well isn't that a pompous response? > > > > > > No - it wasn't pompous, it was sarcastic. Crack a dictionary. > > > > > > Do you know when the last time Jeff Mills was hired to play in Chicago? > > Or > > > the last time he was offered to play there? > > > Just because he's from Detroit or lives in Chicago doesn't obligate him > > to > > > play there - I could imagine that there *could* exist for him many > > personal > > > issues with people in Detroit (or Chicago) that would cause him to say > to > > > himself - "you know, self, I'd only go back to Detroit if I was given a > > > million dollars" > > > > > > >I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their > > > >community beyond just releasing records-- > > > > > > As several people have stated - Jeff does give back to his community - > he > > > just doesn't do it in the public eye for loads of attention or to get > the > > > "ok" from people like yourself. It's called being humble. > > > > > > >but instead is essentially plundering and pilfering > > > >whatever he can from the apparently willing fans. > > > > > > I'd still like to know what you think you are personally being robbed > of. > > > You've seen him at a bar - are you pissed because he's relaxing instead > > of > > > DJing? > > > > > > I've known many DJs and artists who live in Minneapolis but don't play > > > here. They prefer to play in Europe or other cities because they get a > > > better response and they like to keep the city they live in as a sort of > > > quiet retreat from where they perform. > > > > > > makes sense to me > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomly > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > > 313@hyperreal.org > > > m> cc: > > > Subject: Re: (313) axis > > > 01/14/04 04:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I agree - all those Jeff Mills records I and thousands of other people > > > > own and enjoy in our living rooms - not to mention all of us who use > > > > his records to make other people dance, plus the fantastic DJ sets > > > > we've experienced, and his and Robert Hoods practical invention of the > > > > minimal techno style don't amount to much. We've been duped. > > > > > > > > I think Jeff Mills owes us all a personal apology for robbing us all > > > > these years of "a lot" - whatever that "a lot" may be. > > > > > > Well isn't that a pompous response? > > > > > > Jeff Mills hasn't played in Chicago since 1993? despite living here for > > > years. You may remember that he reluctantly agreed to play a show in > > > Detroit in 2000 after not performing there for years, even though he's > > > from there, and then cancelled it because it didn't sell enough tickets. > > > The event finally happened years later, but not until after he had acted > > > like a total prima donna. > > > > > > I think artists/musicians/whatever have a responsibility to their > > > community beyond just releasing records-- art is not created inside some > > > sort of a vacuum. You may disagree with me, and that's fine, but that's > > > how I feel and that influences how and where I spend my money. > > > > > > I think that Jeff Mills has a certain responsibility to help foster the > > > American electronic music scene being that he is an electronic musician > > > from the United States. It's like he took what he needed from > > > Detroit/Chicago and then just turned his back on them. It's not like he > > > invented techno, despite what some of you may think, but rather was > > > introduced to a fertile art scene and is not acting to maintain that > > > scene at all but instead is essentially plundering and pilfering > > > whatever he can from the apparently willing fans. > > > > > > -- > > > :: atomly :: > > > > > > [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... > > > [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... > > > [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************ **** *********** > Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and > not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. > This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies > and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently > transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the > use of the intended recipient. 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