once again josh you never seem to disapoint....you can have your opinions all you want who cares so can everyone else but this is how mani chooses to conduct his agency and he has the support of alot of people (maybe not on this list). i think its funny you choose to attack me but if thats how you do things then i dont care..... i was asked by mani to post the email to begin with so thats that....
As for > Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside DJs who > get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that someone > would twist that into his own tirade. nothing was twisted you were not there when that conversation took place. your the one assuming you know what mike said and if you care about it so much you go ask mike what he thinks of the surgeon or adam and i am sure he would be glad to tell you good or bad.... to attack mani personally is just stupid...because someone tries to change the way they do business and with who they do business with.....improving the techno scene in america was not a realization mani came to in his home land, it is just one of the many realizations he has had recently....whats wrong with that??? and as for you comments and opinions about surgeon and adam beyer being better than anyone on his roster...well thats your opinion and its really not about who's roster is better than the other.....but i think you dont understand some things....... and i dont care who you think you are and who you think you know... some of us were around in the techno scene long before you arrived and don't need you to tell us which way is up....and let me get this straight in MY OPINION Murat will crush Adam Beyer, Surgeon and many other ego maniac's from over the pond in straight up dj skills and production....but i forgot you work for Urb so it is your job to HYPE up all of these overpaid and rude european artists.....(this does not include all Europeans...i think most people get an idea who i am talking about).... michael >> >> Basically what mani was expressing in his email to the list is that >> Obs/Ear management has represented a good amount of techno artists from >> Europe in past years as well as thrown a bunch of parties in Chicago, >> and >> what he is saying is that he has made a mistake in the artist's he >> chose >> to represent and that he feel's it his fault that certain american >> artists >> can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer, Surgeon come >> here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus business >> class >> airfare....it has just become ridiculous, and i think mani is tired of >> it >> and taking a stand. > > Mike, i don't know what year you live in, but i can guarantee you that > neither Beyer or Surgeon are making $5000 (maybe at the biggest rave at > the height of the big raves- but everyone was making money then). Besides- > Adam can certainly hold his own, if not out DJ, everyone on Mani's roster > and Surgeon? Forget it! When it comes to skill DJing/production/ > experimentation, no one on Mani's roster (or few in the world) can touch > Surgeon. Maybe you're just using those two as arbitrary examples, but > think before you speak please. > > >> >> Along with alot of other things mani has gone through this year, from >> going back to his homeland in which he has not been in 19 years and >> coming >> to some realizations. As well as meeting and talking with mad mike this >> year and sharing opinions on the global techno scene and i think he was >> very inspired with alot of what mad mike was saying..... > > It sounds like the only realization he had was that his own sh*t's not > moving fast enough for his liking, so hes railing against those who have > much in deferrence to those who have not quite as much. If the only thing > you can get from a trip to one of the most humanitarily challenged > countries in the world is that your American techno scene isn't up to par, > then you have to seriously re-evaluate the center of your universe. As for > Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside DJs who > get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that someone > would twist that into his own tirade. > >> with the exeption of the ones who have >> always supported the American scene which in this case is Cisco from the >> Advent and Steve Rachmad aka Sterac. > \ > > Not diss to Cisco, he has worked America hard for at least as long as i've > been in this music. But Rachmad never even played in America until DEMF > 2002, and with the exception of Mani's events, I don't believe he's played > America much at all. they're just his boys (and his money makers, at least > in the case of Advent) and it is supreme hypocricy. > >> >> it all may seem a little late for dicovering all of this but i'd take >> late >> than never anyday..... >> >> >> >> michael >> >> >> >> >> >
