i completely agree with matt's sentiments, but the subject says OT, and i am 
too angry to restrain myself to platitudes and self-censorship.

you can not share a passion for the arts with being a bush supporter. there is 
virtually no gov't funding of the arts now, and it's going to get worse. it has 
already had a dramatic effect on arts and culture in the past 4 years. it's 
like being an animal lover and wearing fur, totally moronic. this has a drastic 
affect on the art world as a whole, from the academic world, to the viability 
of clubs, galleries, and performance spaces, to the economic wellbeing of 
arts-related industries. 

to be a bush supporter is to be obsessed with "safety" (an obvious euphemism 
for FEAR) and an agenda to make the christian way of life synonymous with the 
american way of life -- at the expense of civil rights, women's rights, 
religious freedom/seperation of church and state, fiscal responsibility, 
diplomacy, healthcare, education, responsible military strategy, etc! and har 
har, what a brainwash, the world hates our conservative leadership and it makes 
us a target, less safe (more fearful), so it's not about safety, it's about 
(christian) american self-righteousness, ego, and fear-induced puritanism going 
in a downward spiral. it's a tragedy! and it's dangerous. one of, if not THE 
most fundamental philosophies espoused by the constitution is seperation of 
church-state, it's the whole reason there is a USA to begin with, and yet we 
have evengelical christians guiding the country, making their beliefs law. 
thats so amazingly wrong, and in fact i think it is unconstituional (in 
ideology, if not by the letter of the law) to run for office on such a 
platform. popular support does not make it right; democracy is not democracy 
when it favors a viewpoint which inherently rejects other substantially 
represented viewpoints -- that's a democratic removal of freedom, which is as 
fundamental and dengerous a paradox as can be. it's fine to believe what you 
want but you can't impose your religious beliefs (aka morals ha) on the whole 
country. this election has been decided by scared little sheep clinging to 
tough talk, their empowering SUV's, and selfish, singleminded notions of God 
and morality that are retreating backwards towards puritanical blindness and 
intolerance. 

it's a failure of the american education system. unite the country my ass. good 
thing those republican-made Diebold voting machines in ohio and florida made 
for an "accurate" count (which Mr Diebold promised would go Bush's way months 
ago). the few times they've been independently tested before they've shown 
hours of un-recorded votes, unauthorized modem activity, and other signs of 
tampering. but EVEN if this election was won fair and square, which i rather 
doubt, i don't care -- the people and the leadership of this country disgust 
me, and i see incredibly dangerous trends taking hold. we're going backwards, 
and it's my country too, i'm entitled to be pissed off as much as anyone else 
is entitled to be rejoicing. and i am so f***ing pissed off. and i am thankful 
to see others who sympathize regardless of the forum. 

jt

ps nice words ja'maul. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Burd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Nov 3, 2004 1:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: (313) OT :Oh! Canada,,, Oh Canada,,,,,,,,,

Mr. Gianelli, 

Thank you for the offer, but I think I'll stay.  It appears that you aren't
accepting of "my type".  Can I not share a liking of electronic music with you
while being a conservative Republican and speak up against those who criticize
this country?  I believe our friend Chris voted for Mr. Bush as well, do you
plan to boycott FSC?



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Redmond, Ja'Maul'; [email protected]
Cc: Stephen Burd
Subject: RE: (313) OT :Oh! Canada,,, Oh Canada,,,,,,,,,

Mr. Burd,

You can leave this list and go listen to born again C&W music while waving your
flag.  
Your type isn't needed around here.

telepathic regards,
the kooky scientist


> please take him. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:50 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: (313) OT :Oh! Canada,,, Oh Canada,,,,,,,,,
> 
> I never thought I would be the political type, but with America truly
> showing what direction it wants to continue in it's future, I know ask
> you canadian 313er's. 
> 
> How is Canada? I hear it's great for the arts and not bad for techno, my
> girlfriend loves vancouver.
> 
> Would you accept another disgruntled american,,,:)
> 
> 
> Ja'Maul Redmond
> 1100 S. Tryon St. Suite 300, Charlotte, NC 28203
> t: 704.343.9900 f:704.343.9999 www.perkinswill.com
> 
> Perkins+Will. Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Redmond, Ja'Maul 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:47 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: (313) stinson interview/ 
> 
> De Block, Mario Quote
> "A black and white world is what I truly detest, even if one day 50.5 %
> of America would decide we're better off that way Mario"
> 
> But a black and white world or  is what we live in. Well at least here
> in America. Things are SO Clearly Divided it's pathetic.
> That's just reality.  
>  
> As for Stinson's comments, everyone has to remember that was back in 95'
> even by 97' 98' he had somewhat changed his viewpoint on hawtin. He then
> started to blame a lot of the problems on the first Generation's Exodus
> of Detroit. So like any man/especially an opionated man you find that he
> contradicted himself a lot through-out time. 
> 
> None theless, This country's foundation is rooted in racial/social
> economic division. Detest it or not it will always be present even in
> Art.  
> 
> 
> 
> 


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