They do sound a little too similar. If CiM/Delsin were to pursue it I
think they'd have a case.
Well, I know two tracks that will be an easy mix. Better get them while
they're available.
MEK
Klaas-Jan Jongsma
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To
lisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
08/15/05 12:46 PM cc
Kent Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313
<[email protected]>
Subject
Re: (313) CiM bitten by Black Dog -
....
Actually the version of Service Pack i have starts out with a whole
clean part to sample, same sound, same texture, same key, same bass
squelch all in exactly the same timing. Now of course on could
accidentally re-create this but it is a bit to much of a coincidence.
On 15-aug-2005, at 18:38, lisa wrote:
> The samples posted seem like they are in similar (or same) keys,
> but it doesn't sound like a sample or rip-off of one to the other
> (putting aside which came first or who did what). I can find loads
> of songs in my collection that I would put in this same category
> (of sounding similar) and believe that sometimes, things just fit/
> sound good together and people discover them on their own, creating
> their own take on a thing.
>
> Perhaps the world has rhythms (as Ken says, synchronicity) and
> we're simply discovering them (or they're discovering us).
>
> Lisa
>
>
> Kent Williams wrote:
>
>
>> There's only a couple of seconds in the CiM track to sample. I don't
>> know how you'd take the sample and stretch it into the Black Dog
>> track. I'd be willing to give Ken the benefit of the doubt here.
>> Hell, it would be easier to make the CiM track out of the Black Dog
>> track.
>> Besides, is it plagarism to duplicate what is a pretty generic phrase
>> in isolation? If so, I got Opz on both those guys, because I used a
>> Major 7th chord Pad, a Juno-esque bass note on the tonic, and a high
>> D50-sounding note 2 octaves higher years ago.
>> There is loads of unintentional plagarism and synchronicity in music.
>> If what you're showing here meant someone made a ton of money off
>> of a
>> significant act of plagarism, it would be worth starting a row about.
>> As it is, both those guys either have day jobs or live very modestly.
>> On 8/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Normally I won't take these things to public,
>>> but solving the issue with the label didn't succeed
>>>
>>> I'm 100% sure The Black Dog samples a track of the artist CiM,
>>> a track from Delsin's Service Pack release. (released 1999)
>>>
>>> On it's own not a not-to-overcome-problem, but..
>>>
>>> quote from the artist, Ken Downie aka The Black Dog
>>> "No samples were used. From anybody."
>>>
>>> Dust Label owner Martin:
>>> "I've no reason to doubt Ken at all."
>>>
>>> ===============================
>>>
>>> Compare and contrast...
>>>
>>> A: 'new' Black Dog on Dust Science
>>> http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF189035-01-01-01.mp3
>>>
>>> B: CiM - Shift - Service Pack/Do Not Multiply Models
>>> http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF137860-01-01-04.mp3
>>>
>>> Well, if you still need any help....
>>>
>>> What makes it most obvious is that the bassline is the same and that
>>> it *starts at the same time as the high string sounds*.
>>>
>>> Listen to the Black Dog Juno MP3 sample at 23 secs in to hear this,
>>> and compare this with the Shift track at 3 sec.
>>>
>>> you just can't do three sounds exactly the same
>>>
>>> a low string, a high string and bass sound
>>> all with the same reverb!
>>> all in the same time schedule
>>>
>>> http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11919
>>> http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=69615
>>>
>>> ================================
>>>
>
