Hello,

   I am still fighting to reproduce this issue.
   Have you a reproducible test case, so that I could investigate locally ?

   thanks
   thierry

On 08/22/2014 06:47 PM, Shilen Patel wrote:
While the issue is happening, if I add another entry to the same suffix, it does not replicate over it seems. The same error continues.

Thanks!

-- Shilen

From: thierry bordaz <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Friday, August 22, 2014 12:02 PM
To: Shilen Patel <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>, "General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project." <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [389-users] Replication error after initializing consumer

    Hello Shilen,

        I wonder if it is not a transient issue.
If you add an other entry on the supplier, is it replicated and the warning messages do no long occur ?

        thanks
        theirry

    On 08/22/2014 03:59 PM, Shilen Patel wrote:
    Once the init is done, the following is repeated on the consumer
    (when logging is turned up).  Note that the ADD was done while
    the init was happening and after the init is done, the entry does
    exist on the consumer but, from what I can tell, the supplier
    wants to still send it to the consumer and the consumer is
    rejecting it.

    Also, the other issue that I'm noticing is that a couple of my
    consumers seem to be crashing (about once a day).  Right now,
    they are not getting any traffic at all other than updates from
    replication.  I'm debugging that at the moment and will report
    what I find.

    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:34 +0100] - import test: Import complete.
     Processed 282 entries in 145 seconds. (1.94 entries/sec)
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:34 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
    multimaster_be_state_change: replica ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu is
    coming online; enabling replication
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:34 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
    _replica_configure_ruv: No ruv tombstone found for replica
    ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu. Created a new one
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:34 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=0 op=0
    repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Released replica held by
    locking_purl=conn=15 id=4
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:34 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
    replica_enable_replication: replica ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu is
    relinquished
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:34 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=15
    op=287 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Replica not in use
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:34 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=15
    op=287 Relinquishing consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=13
    op=69 Acquired consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=13
    op=69 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Begin incremental protocol
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] - csngen_adjust_time: gen state
    before 53f74a330001:1408715314:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen
    state before 53f74a330001:1408715314:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen
    state after 53f74a350000:1408715316:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=13
    op=69 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Acquired replica
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=13
    op=69 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu":
    StartNSDS50ReplicationRequest: response=0 rc=0
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=13
    op=69 Relinquishing consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
    ruv_add_csn_inprogress: successfully inserted csn
    53f749bb000000050000 into pending list
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100]  £ - urp_add
    (uid=shilen3,ou=people,ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu): an entry with
    this uniqueid already exists.
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:36 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=13
    op=70 csn=53f749bb000000050000 process postop: canceling
    operation csn
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=16
    op=63 Acquired consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=16
    op=63 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Begin incremental protocol
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] - csngen_adjust_time: gen state
    before 53f74a350000:1408715316:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen
    state before 53f74a350000:1408715316:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen
    state after 53f74a360000:1408715317:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] - csngen_adjust_time: gen state
    after 53f74a360000:1408715317:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=16
    op=63 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Replica in use
    locking_purl=conn=13 id=69
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=16
    op=63 replica="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Unable to acquire
    replica: error: replica busy locked by conn=13 id=69 for
    incremental update
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=16
    op=63 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu":
    StartNSDS50ReplicationRequest: response=1 rc=0
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=16
    op=63 Relinquishing consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=18 op=4
    Acquired consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=18 op=4
    repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Begin incremental protocol
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] - csngen_adjust_time: gen state
    before 53f74a360000:1408715317:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] - csngen_adjust_time: gen state
    after 53f74a360000:1408715317:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=18 op=4
    repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Replica in use
    locking_purl=conn=13 id=69
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=18 op=4
    replica="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Unable to acquire replica:
    error: replica busy locked by conn=13 id=69 for incremental update
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=18 op=4
    repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": StartNSDS50ReplicationRequest:
    response=1 rc=0
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=18 op=4
    Relinquishing consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=13
    op=71 Acquired consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=13
    op=71 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Released replica held by
    locking_purl=conn=13 id=69
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:37 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=13
    op=71 Relinquishing consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=17
    op=63 Acquired consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=17
    op=63 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Begin incremental protocol
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100] - csngen_adjust_time: gen state
    before 53f74a360000:1408715317:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen
    state before 53f74a360000:1408715317:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time: gen
    state after 53f74a370000:1408715318:0:1
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=17
    op=63 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu": Acquired replica
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=17
    op=63 repl="ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu":
    StartNSDS50ReplicationRequest: response=0 rc=0
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin - conn=17
    op=63 Relinquishing consumer connection extension
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
    ruv_add_csn_inprogress: successfully inserted csn
    53f749bb000000050000 into pending list
    [22/Aug/2014:14:48:38 +0100]  £ - urp_add
    (uid=shilen3,ou=people,ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu): an entry with
    this uniqueid already exists.

    Thanks!

    -- Shilen


    From: thierry bordaz <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    Date: Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:20 AM
    To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>"
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    Cc: "General discussion list for the 389 Directory server
    project." <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>, Shilen Patel
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    Subject: Re: [389-users] Replication error after initializing
    consumer

        Hello,

            This logs are coming from the supplier. It confirms what
            you said. The supplier retrieves a starting point for
            sending updates (53f5e4b5000000050000) then sends the
            next update 53f5e647000000050000
            (uid=shilen3,ou=people,ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu). For some
            reason the consumerhost:636 is unwilling to apply the
            update (is the backend readonly ?).
            Have you got the error logs from consumerhost (with
            replication logging enabled) ?.

            thanks
            theirry

        On 08/21/2014 02:45 PM, Shilen Patel wrote:
        Here's the additional logging for the init issue:

        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:55 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        Finished total update of replica "agmt="cn=test5toSing1"
        (consumerhost:636)". Sent 278 entries.
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:55 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): Cancelling linger
        on the connection
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:55 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): Disconnected from
        the consumer
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:55 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): State: start ->
        ready_to_acquire_replica
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:55 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): Trying secure
        slapi_ldap_init_ext
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:55 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): binddn = cn=xxx
         passwd = xxx
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:56 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): No linger to
        cancel on the connection
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:57 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time:
        gen state before 53f5e64c0000:1408624203:0:1
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:57 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time:
        gen state after 53f5e6be0000:1408624317:0:1
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): Replica was
        successfully acquired.
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): State:
        ready_to_acquire_replica -> sending_updates
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] - csngen_adjust_time: gen state
        before 53f5e6be0001:1408624317:0:1
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time:
        gen state before 53f5e6be0001:1408624317:0:1
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] - _csngen_adjust_local_time:
        gen state after 53f5e6bf0000:1408624318:0:1
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        changelog program - _cl5GetDBFile: found DB object 2b9c0c0
        for database
        
/var/lib/dirsrv/slapd-idms-authdir/changelogdb/e9c04c06-1c0711e4-a066d327-58be45f0_53e0f14e000000050000.db4
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] - _cl5PositionCursorForReplay
        (agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636)): Consumer RUV:
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636):
        {replicageneration} 53e0f14e000000050000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): {replica 5
        ldap://xxx:389} 53e0f3cc000000050000 53f5e4b5000000050000
        00000000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): {replica 8
        ldap://xxx:389}
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): {replica 7
        ldap://xxx:389} 53f3a401000000070000 53f3a401000000070000
        00000000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): {replica 6
        ldap://xxx:389} 53e3b64f000000060000 53f3a68e000000060000
        00000000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] - _cl5PositionCursorForReplay
        (agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636)): Supplier RUV:
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636):
        {replicageneration} 53e0f14e000000050000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): {replica 5
        ldap://xxx:389} 53e0f3cc000000050000 53f5e647000000050000
        53f5e646
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): {replica 8
        ldap://xxx:389}
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): {replica 7
        ldap://xxx:389} 53f3a401000000070000 53f3a401000000070000
        00000000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): {replica 6
        ldap://xxx:389} 53e3b64f000000060000 53f3a68e000000060000
        00000000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] agmt="cn=test5toSing1"
        (consumerhost:636) - clcache_get_buffer: found thread
        private buffer cache 7fac100773d0
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] agmt="cn=test5toSing1"
        (consumerhost:636) - clcache_get_buffer: _pool is 2b8b6f0
        _pool->pl_busy_lists is 7fac140012e0
        _pool->pl_busy_lists->bl_buffers is 7fac04126e60
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] agmt="cn=test5toSing1"
        (consumerhost:636) - session start:
        anchorcsn=53f5e4b5000000050000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        changelog program - agmt="cn=test5toSing1"
        (consumerhost:636): CSN 53f5e4b5000000050000 found, position
        set for replay
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] agmt="cn=test5toSing1"
        (consumerhost:636) - load=1 rec=1 csn=53f5e647000000050000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): replay_update:
        Sending add operation
        (dn="uid=shilen3,ou=people,ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu"
        csn=53f5e647000000050000)
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): replay_update:
        Consumer successfully sent operation with csn
        53f5e647000000050000
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): Consumer failed
        to replay change (uniqueid
        b92e2101-292e11e4-a066d327-58be45f0, CSN
        53f5e647000000050000): Server is unwilling to perform (53).
        Will retry later.
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:58 +0100] agmt="cn=test5toSing1"
        (consumerhost:636) - session end: state=0 load=1 sent=1
        skipped=0 skipped_new_rid=0 skipped_csn_gt_cons_maxcsn=0
        skipped_up_to_date=0 skipped_csn_gt_ruv=0 skipped_csn_covered=0
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:59 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): Successfully
        released consumer
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:59 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): Beginning linger
        on the connection
        [21/Aug/2014:13:31:59 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
        agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636): State:
        sending_updates -> start_backoff

        Thanks!

        -- Shilen

        From: Mark Reynolds <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        Reply-To: "[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:32 PM
        To: "General discussion list for the 389 Directory server
        project." <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>, Shilen Patel
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        Subject: Re: [389-users] Replication error after
        initializing consumer


            On 08/19/2014 03:05 PM, Shilen Patel wrote:
            Hi Mark,

            So with this issue, I'm not adding a password at all to
            the entry.  See the LDIF in (2) below.
            No, I was referring to your first email, not this
            issue.  Sorry I should of responded separately.
             I'll open a ticket.
            For what issue?  For the initialization issue I want you
            to grab the logging first.  For the first
            issue(userpassword not being replicated), if you can
            reproduce it when only adding already hashed passwords,
            then please file a ticket with a reproducible testcase.

            I hope that clears things up.

            Regards,
            Mark



            Thanks!

            -- Shilen

            From: Mark Reynolds <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>>
            Reply-To: "[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>>
            Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:58 PM
            To: "General discussion list for the 389 Directory
            server project." <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>>, Shilen
            Patel <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
            Subject: Re: [389-users] Replication error after
            initializing consumer

                Shilen,

                A few things, you should not be adding a prehashed
                password (e.g.
                {SSHA}DMK4S6PK6+rKSLNOL1Hl01mVJmgGi5jH) - but that
                should not break replication.  Can you confirm that
                only prehashed passwords are causing the issue?  If
                so, please files a ticket with a reproducible
                testcase: https://fedorahosted.org/389/newticket

                As for this replication issue, enabling replication
                logging might provide more information:

                
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Directory_Server/9.0/html/Configuration_Command_and_File_Reference/error-logs.html#error-logs-levels

Then post the logging output back on this list. You should also undo this logging level once you're
                done - as this logging level can impact performance.

                Thanks,
                Mark


                On 08/19/2014 01:08 PM, Shilen Patel wrote:
                Hi,

                I'm not sure if this is related to my previous
                email, but I'm also seeing issues when adding an
                entry while a suffix on a consumer is being
                initialized.  Again, I'm running 1.2.11.30.  Here
                are the details:

                1.  Using the console, I started to initialize a
                suffix.

                [19/Aug/2014:17:46:35 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin
                - Beginning total update of replica
                "agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636)".

                2.  While that was happening, I added an entry to
                the suffix on the master.

                dn: uid=shilen3,ou=people,ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu
                changetype: add
                objectclass: top
                objectclass: person
                objectclass: inetorgperson
                objectclass: organizationalperson
                cn: test
                sn: test
                uid: shilen3


                [19/Aug/2014:17:47:04 +0100] conn=155 op=1 ADD
                dn="uid=shilen3,ou=people,ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu"
                [19/Aug/2014:17:47:04 +0100] conn=155 op=1 RESULT
                err=0 tag=105 nentries=0 etime=0
                csn=53f37f89000000050000

                3.  The init later finished.

                [19/Aug/2014:17:48:55 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin
                - Finished total update of replica
                "agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636)". Sent
                270 entries.

                At this point, the entry does exist on the
                consumer.  Presumably it was added as part of the
                init.


                4.  However, the master still wants to send the
                ADD to the consumer.  On the consumer, I have the
                following repeated every few seconds:

                [19/Aug/2014:17:48:54 +0100] conn=2002 op=56 ADD
                dn="uid=shilen3,ou=people,ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu"
                [19/Aug/2014:17:48:54 +0100] conn=2002 op=56
                RESULT err=53 tag=105 nentries=0 etime=0
                csn=53f37f89000000050000

                And on the master, I have this:

                [19/Aug/2014:17:48:58 +0100] NSMMReplicationPlugin
                - agmt="cn=test5toSing1" (consumerhost:636):
                Consumer failed to replay change (uniqueid
                5d458a02-27c011e4-a066d327-58be45f0, CSN
                53f37f89000000050000): Server is unwilling to
                perform (53). Will retry later.

                A cl-dump shows the following:

                changetype: add
                replgen: 53e0f14e000000050000
                csn: 53f37f89000000050000
                nsuniqueid: 5d458a02-27c011e4-a066d327-58be45f0
                parentuniqueid: bcd34401-21ba11df-80799838-3cd697e9
                dn: uid=shilen3,ou=people,ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu
                change::
                add: objectClass
                objectClass: top
                objectClass: person
                objectClass: inetorgperson
                objectClass: organizationalperson
                -
                add: cn
                cn: test
                -
                add: sn
                sn: test
                -
                add: uid
                uid: shilen3
                -
                add: creatorsName
                creatorsName: cn=directory manager
                -
                add: modifiersName
                modifiersName: cn=directory manager
                -
                add: createTimestamp
                createTimestamp: 20140819164704Z
                -
                add: modifyTimestamp
                modifyTimestamp: 20140819164704Z
                -
                add: nsUniqueId
                nsUniqueId: 5d458a02-27c011e4-a066d327-58be45f0
                -
                add: parentid
                parentid: 2
                -
                add: entryid
                entryid: 277
                -
                add: entrydn
                entrydn: uid=shilen3,ou=people,ou=test,dc=duke,dc=edu
                -


                If anyone has any thoughts on this one, that would
                be appreciated.

                Thanks!

                -- Shilen


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