Hi John,

Have you looked at "Setting a Default User" in the Design Reference?

If you want to allow:
1) Users to never see the 4D Password Dialog; and
2) Users to only see your password system; and
3) 4D password system to keep users out of design environment

then take a look at "Setting a Default User" at:

http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D/16.1/Setting-a-Default-User.300-3373311.en.html

To setup a default user and limit access to the Design Environment, you would:
1) create a group for design access (for example, "design_access".)
2) Create a default user with **NO** password or group assigned (for example, 
"default_user".)
3) Assign the users "designer" and "administrator" to the "design_access" group.

In Database Settings -> Security, do the following:
1) Specify the group for design access from popup of group names.
2) Specify the default user name from popup of user names.
3) Uncheck "users can change password".

When usersr enters the database, they automatically enter as the default user. 
No 4D Password Dialog appears. 

You then present your custom password login dialog.

Beware in this scheme you will not be able to get into the Design Environment 
again, unless the 4D Password System dialog appears to allow you to enter as 
designer.

When opening a database, you can force the 4D Password Dialog to appear by 
holding down the shift key.

Best regards,
Jeremy French


> On May 16, 2017, at 4:28 PM, truegold via 4D_Tech <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> So if I want to protect the db from a user getting into “design mode” - given 
> we have rolled our own password security - can I simply do the following:
> 
> Add a 4D Group in the password editor. Is there not a checkbox to disallow a 
> user into design? So if I set things up this way and then…
> 
> After the user logins to our custom PW login system immediately identify them 
> as a member of this group will that work? Will that keep them from getting 
> access?

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