I was shocked to see how few attendees there were at the Tour stop in New 
Jersey a couple years ago.  My impression is that the developer- and user-base 
is way too small, considering how good 4D is. But considering the endless 
learning curve, and obsolescence of earlier databases, I shouldn’t be so 
surprised. The determination of our great leaders to improve the product is 
both frustrating and inspiring.

Nevertheless, considering the community as a whole — including Wakanda — and 
the eventuality of two things: the integration of 4D with Wakanda somehow, and 
the 4D command set becoming its own robust language somehow, it could someday 
catch fire as a widely appealing platform. That’s my hope.

Roger

> On Oct 5, 2017, at 15:44, Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> I think we’re all too lazy to get up and move all the way over to the 4D 
> forums.
> 
> I do go there for research and find the forums much more active, and with far 
> many more users than we see here.
> 
> And with 4D themselves pushing us in that direction, I see more and more of 
> us who have been on this list for 20+ years posting less and less here.
> 
> I don’t think it’s a diminished community because the forums certainly seem 
> to be thriving, and I have to admit the ability to add links and images and 
> so on makes it easier to illustrate our problems. What I _don’t_ like is that 
> it’s much more work to get it done.
> 
> I think mailing lists are just a thing of the past and a few of us are 
> holding on for all we’re worth.
> 
> Randy
> 
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> 
>> On Oct 5, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know that many of you have been on this list for a long time, as have 
>> I.
>> 
>> I have noticed, over the past couple of years, that the volume of email 
>> on this list has dropped - a lot -. It used to be, that if I was out of 
>> the office, or whatever, and unable/unwilling to check email for 1 or 
>> more days, I could expect to see ~100 emails/day from this list. While 
>> I have not done an actual count, I believe that currently this list 
>> sees, on average about 100 emails a week.
>> 
>> While this might be a good thing (less bugs to report/talk about etc), 
>> I find it troubling in that it likely reflects a significantly 
>> diminished use of the 4D product.
>> 
>> Thoughts, Anyone?
>> Chip
> 
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