Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> e.g. for a syncopic feeling human touch jitter always has negative delay, >> > > I think I'm not wrong with this, but ... > > >> when playing a funeral march it always has positive >> >> > > ... I guess I was mistaken with this. Human touch seems to be more > complicated. > > IMO humans, resp. good musicians will never do positive delayed jitter. > Exaggerated we tend to play funeral march feeling like parts, that > should be e.g. 110BPM instead at 109BPM, but the jitter might always be > negative delayed. > > I think positive delayed jitter only will be made by machines and people > with less good timing. I didn't test this, so I'm not sure, but I won't > believe that we will tend to delay notes and rests. > > For music that is played by beats, I guess human touch jitter must be > negative delayed. Imagine someone singing, when he can't hear his > realtime voice, only a delayed voice. He will become slower and slower, > because he tend to adjust the latency. > > It won't be a help a machine with positive and negative jitter after > recording to give added *NEGATIVE* delay, because there might be something > else for > music that is played by beats. The feeling of the bar. People from an > African culture that are used to do 5/4 bars will have another kind of > human touch jitter, than European people doing the same songs, with a > more 2/4 + 3/4 bar feeling. Computer jitter is without those effects, > it's not musical. > > It's speculative, but it's not speculative that computer jitter is > different to human touch. > > Cheers, > Ralf >
This all are written words, it's not absolute, there might be also positive delay for good musicians, but a machine might tend to do +-2ms and humans +1ms and -0,5ms, this is pure fantasy, as I've written, I never tested this.
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