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Ralf Mardorf wrote:
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> thank you. I guess I still have to google, searching archives is very 
> hard. I only will report technical issues I know and at the moment I 
> don't know any details for my board. Or I will ask questions, but I 
> still don't know what to ask.

Try and search for similar problems with other boards and chipsets.  Try
to see what information was requested, and how the matter was resolved
(or wasn't).

> I can't say if the style I'll use, if I contact lkml will be the right 
> one or not, right now I simply have nothing to write, but if I get some 
> knowledge, I'll be ready to contact the kernel folks and ASUS. I guess 
> the blame for troubles with mobos belongs to both.

I am not in that industry, so I cannot say what challenges they face.
- From the open source side, there is a process in place to have drivers
written for hardware manufacturers, I don't know why more companies do
not take advantage of this.  ATI went from last place to first in terms
of video driver support (fglrx vs the radeonhd driver)
> 
> On other lists I heard that the lkml people aren't kind. I guess last

Kindness has nothing to do with it.  These are very busy people who do
not like people wasting their time.  If we do not take the time to do
our homework, that is not being very courteous to them, nor does it
display respect.

> time I read about this was yesterday on LAD. I wasn't involved, it were 
> 'normal' Linux audio developers who seems to be more the way you 
> recommend that I should be. That's why I can imagine that they are very 
> raw on lkml.
> 
The bad reputation is mostly due to perception.  Especially in North
America, there is this idea that failure is somehow a bad thing.  The
reality is that failure is normal, and we should see it as an
opportunity to learn.  The LKML makes no attempt to sugar coat their
opinions, if they think an idea is dumb, they will say as much.  This is
as close to a meritocracy as humans can likely get.  If you have
something of value to contribute, and are willing to accept criticism,
there should not be a problem.
> 
> OT PS: The commissioner for data protection wasn't able to open an 
> attached email in .eml format. Is this an exotic format? I thought it is 
> a standard format. I contacted them because of a phishing mail that was 
> 'good' enough to cheat internet greenhorns, e.g. old people. Has anybody 
> ever heard that people were not able to open an .eml?
> 
It is possibly blocked by their mail serer or a Desktop policy, or a
virus scanner, or ... the list goes on.
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