Reposted to the list, since by mistake it went only to Ralf - he's sending such a blizzard of emails it's hard to keep track .....
---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: I have had enough - Re: [64studio-users] comments from a noob Date: Wednesday 14 October 2009 15:24 From: Kevin Donnelly <[email protected]> To: Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]> On Wednesday 14 October 2009 14:35, you wrote: > You still read my mails Kevin? Yes, I still have hopes that if you change your posting style a bit we can have an all-win situation - you continue to post, but in a more responsible fashion, and I don't get annoyed by the content of your posts. But the possibilities there are largely in your hands - post less frequently, with fewer follow-ups, and make clear at the beginning of the post whether this is an issue with the distro as released, or with your customised version of it. > I thought I could help Rui if I use Qtractor from the development tree, > especially because he ask me not to use the Ubuntu version. Maybe in the > future you'll help to evaluate Qtractor. I didn't noticed a problem > between Rui and me, he never told me that there is one. I didn't know > that Rui isn't able to speak for himself. And I don't want to be the one > who busted 64 Studio or Linux. I didn't know that my mails have the > power to do that, sorry, I'll unubscribe to all lists and use FLOSS > without any communication to the Linux communities. He's quite welcome to speak for himself, but that doesn't mean I can't draw attention to a typical inaccuracy in your posts. > Because of the video issue. Again, were is the lib that enables audio > applications resampling for SMPTE usage? If there isn't such a library > it isn't possible to sync by SMPTE. Please let people know those audio > applications that can sync to video equipment by any kind of sync, even > if it isn't SMPTE. Can you tell me why I should spend time doing this? *I* don't need SMPTE. It was *you* who brought it up (to slag off Linux audio, I might add). Your exact words were: >>> the problems with SMPTE, no high >>> quality real-time re-sampling does mean, that you can't use SMPTE and >>> this does mean that you can't do "complete" film sync beyond home usage >>>... "[re]cord films" not videos might be uninteresting for you, but it's >>> interesting for me. I merely pointed out that this is untrue - pro apps exist that can presumably use SMPTE in some form. You might not like someone telling you that what you said isn't true, but that doesn't make it any truer. > Yes, there is e.g. OME that can be synced by JACK transport to e.g. > Ardour, but this isn't the point. Some people needs to sync to e.g. > Sony, FastMachine or any other common video or film equipment. So in fact even your previous point is only half-true? There is indeed some form of sync that can be used, just not with "common" equipment (as defined by you, presumably)? > I only want to help and you call me a liar, but still there's no proof > that any audio application like e.g. Ardour can be synced to common > video equipment. And if you had applied some self-restraint, as I keep asking you to do, and said exactly this, I would likely not have disagreed with you. But instead you made a wildly inaccurate generalisation, that Linux can't be used (and I quote) "when trying to record a Wagner opera". Do you think it's really OK to do things like this, tarring Linux with a dirty brush? You don't think it insulting at all? > I might be mistaken, but if so I'm not a liar. You are a liar, because > you purported that it's possible to sync. But you don't give any > evidence, even if you claim that you did. Everybody can read this, but > nobody will do, thy only will read your untruth and not the hole context. > > If you don't want to help me, this is okay. But why won't you help all > those coders? Where is the resampling rout? Any links? What audio app > can be used to sync to video equipment? I can appreciate your frustration, but this goes back to the points I made earlier about the difficulties facing Linux developers. Presumably, if these pro apps do deal with SMPTE, they have libraries somewhere to allow this. If those libraries were open-sourced, Linux developers could use them. But they're not (so far as I know), so they can't. This is just the way things are, Ralf - saying that we would like them to be different doesn't change them, and shouting that Linux should have these things *now* doesn't bring success one whit closer. It may be that at some point in the future someone will write an open-source library, or some manufacturer may open-source theirs, but all we can do in the meantime is hope. Filling posts with complaints about it, and using it to as a hook on which to hang more wild generalisations that Linux is no good for audio don't really help - they don't solve your problem, and they don't enlighten anyone else; all they do is create smoke without a fire. > It's ivory tower to write, that video and film studios should use OEM > and other Linux applications while they use the common Sony stuff and > other video equipment. You're generalising off the top of your head again, Ralf - a large chunk of Hollywood CGI stuff is now run on Linux, especially the renderfarms. *Please* read up a bit before you say stuff like this - can't you exercise at least a modicum of common-sense before you say something like this? > Sorry, this sucks, I'll unsubscribe. There are many people here who will be sorry to hear that, so perhaps you should reconsider. Is it really impossible for you to consider any changes in the way you approach things? Is there really no 50 between your 0 and 100? -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.cymraeg.org.uk - Welsh-English autotranslator www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg ------------------------------------------------------- -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.cymraeg.org.uk - Welsh-English autotranslator www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg _______________________________________________ 64studio-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-users
