On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:40:35 -0400
Larry Troxler <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 10/02/2010 02:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > 3.3 alpha is ok and based on Karmic, you can ignore the word "alpha".
> 
> So "alpha" is the new "released" :-)
> (non USA'rs that's a joke. We say like 50 is the new 40 (as in age)).
> 
> Really, I don't expect _any_ audio distro to be flawless, so the 
> distinction between alpha,beta, and released, is a bit more blurred.
> However "alpha" generally means it hasn't even been made available to 
> customers yet, so I hope I can find it! (Seriously)
> 
> And again with the silly names!! :-) What's Karmic? I mean that both in 
> the sense of "is it an actual word", but most importantly what actual 
> release number and date does it correspond too??? Google Android 2.2 is 
> also "FroYo". What's a FroYo? I had to google it. Did I learn something? 
> Yes, that only in California would someone call frozen yogurt "froyo"! I 
> happen to know that it is really just another name for 2.2 only because 
> Android is pretty new and have been following it. But you would have to 
> pay me money to calling it "froyo" when I'm discussing Andrioid with my 
> android buddies.
> 
> 
> I don't remember seeing 3.3 on the download sites, but then again I 
> wasn't specifically looking for it. I think I might as well try it.
> 
> If it's tricky to find (being alpha and all), I'll might be asking...
> 
> 
> >
> >> Am I write in thinking that the reason these music distros are so
> >> lagging, is not so much the people working on them, but just the fact
> >> that developers of the music apps are slow to put out debian packages?
> >
> > I'm subscribed to the Ubuntu Studio list, having a discussion about the
> > kernel. Ubuntu Studio don't ships with a PREEMPT RT kernel, but just a
> > PREEMPT kernel, without the rt-patch.
> >
> > Neither the kernel-rt from the repositories, nor self-build kernels are
> > ok for my Ubuntu Studio install.
> >
> Yes that's what I thought it was. My impression is that  the goal was 
> not to provide a hard-core audio distro, but just to package up a few 
> nice audio and and video apps along  with their regular distro.
> 
> That's not the way I work. I want one distro for desktop work, and an 
> other for music. Video would be nice to play with (and maybe demand more 
> requirments), but currently that's not my focus. My music hardware box 
> (it's built on one of those multimedia quiet cases) does not have 
> wireless, it _does_ have an nvidia card but I've disabled the 3d acell 
> support which seems to eliminate the dropouts, and although I have OO 
> and Thunderbird installed, it's only for convenience. It has a 
> hard-wired connection when the box is at home (no wireless), but I have 
> separate box that I usually do my net stuff and OO on.
> 
> > Take care when using Linux distros supporting latest desktop software
> 
> I agree. I think that some distros are trying to be two things at once.
> 
> But I assume by "desktop" software you mean things like windows 
> managers, email software, web browsers, fancy graphics and the like?
> 
> If so I agree.
> 
> But the thing is, it _should_ have absolutely the latest libraries and 
> development tools, and packages of the latest music software.
> 
> 
> General-purpose use on my music box is not an issue for me. I have 
> separate boxes - one or more to do desktop work, and a custom music box 
> to do, well, the music.
> 
> The music box doesn't need a fancy windows manager. In fact I'm puzzled 
> why 64studio uses gnome by default, although it's probably one of the 
> cases where it would be too much work to eliminate it. And although my 
> music box has nVidia (by ignorance), by disabling the 3d accell I was 
> able to get rid of the dropouts. And it has no wireless. I don't use it 
> for desktop work, just
> as you most likely wouldn't use your wii for general purpose use.
> 
> I _do_ have the old browser (IceWeasel) and Thunderbird on it for 
> convenience, but it's not my primary utility PC. de
> 
> 
> > IMO Rosegarden is obsolet. Qtractor or Ardour3 are the new MIDI
> > sequencers and perhaps Muse, if it should run on your machine.
> 
> WHOA! Rosegarden is obsolete?? I'll google Qtractor - never heard of it.
> And does Ardour3 really do everything that Rosegarden does?
> 
> So you're saying that Ardour3 hooks up with NoteEdit somehow?
> 
> One thing about Rosegarden that's sorely lacking, is that AFAIK it 
> doesn't support any MIDI scripting languages. is Ardour3 better in this 
> respect? Actually I had no idea that ardour did MIDI at all!
> 
> So really, Ardour now has a common-music-notation view?
> 
> And it supports arbitrary MIDI transformation plugins?
> 
> I should explain more. Say I record a performance into Ardour and record 
> it as MIDI. And then say the nerd in me wants to analyze the MIDI track 
> and based on it, run some gizmo wizmo think written in some sort of 
> scripting langauge (Python?), that transforms it and then sends the new 
> MIDI tracks back to Ardour.
> 
> If this is possible now, count me in!!
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> Larry

Ralf is making one of his sweeping generalisations, and as you know,
the only generalisation that is true is the one that states all of them
are false :)

Rosegarden is far from obsolete.
It does some things none of the others do.
It does some things differently to the way the others do.
It doesn't do some of the things some of the others do.

I use it at some point for all my work - I also use other applications
as and when they seem appropriate.

I would really like to see some development on 64studio. I have to have
some current libraries for Yoshimi.

The bodge I'm currently using is a stripped down minimum debian
squeeze, with none of the gnome rubbish, just startx straight into an
openbox session.

I then shoehorn in the multimedia kernel from 64studio alpha 3.3.

This is not a happy marriage!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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