Hi Pascal I’m trying to address a different use case I thinks, when the number of timeslots is limited. This use case is probably more relevant to large scale NAN networks (e.g. Zigbee NAN).
This use case is as follow. Let say I have a RPL parent with 100 RPL children with a timeslot of 10 msec. If I want to assign a dedicated timeslot to each child, 100 timeslots need to be assigned. This means that a timeslot for uplink traffic will available to a child only each couple of seconds. The propose approach allows the RPL parent to reserve soft cells to allocate bandwidth dynamically to some of these 100 children when needed. Is this make some sense? Is there something already available if the drafts to accommodate this use case? [cid:[email protected]] Michel Veillette System Architecture Director Trilliant Inc. Tel: 450-375-0556 ext. 237 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.trilliantinc.com<http://www.trilliantinc.com/> From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 2 juillet 2015 10:40 To: Michel Veillette; Qin Wang; Nicola Accettura Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [6tisch] draft-dujovne-6tisch-on-the-fly-05 Hello Michel: We discussed an angle of this on the call of 22 Nov 2013 recording here<https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=MC&rID=73307867&rKey=c4a9734628e9656e> : https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/131122_webex at 8:13<https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/wiki/131122_webex%20at%208:13> https://bitbucket.org/6tisch/meetings/src/master/131122_webex/slides_131122_webex.ppt In short, if the schedule is rather not busy, we can have more timeSlots per child than they really need. In that case, the peer would only listen to the first timeSlot of a sequence of say 4. If there is no traffic there, the peer would not listen for the other 3. But if there is traffic, then the sender can indicate whether there’s more till done, in which case all the timeSlots could be used on that round. This avoids negotiation to allocate / deallocate time slots. Cheers, Pascal From: 6tisch [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michel Veillette Sent: mercredi 1 juillet 2015 19:10 To: Qin Wang; Nicola Accettura Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [6tisch] draft-dujovne-6tisch-on-the-fly-05 Hi Qin Yes, the Frame Pending flag is defined as follow: IEEE 802.15.4-2006 section 7.2.1.1.3 “Frame Pending subfield is 1 bit in length and shall be set to one if the device sending the frame has more data for the recipient. This subfield shall be set to zero otherwise” This feature can be especially useful for the upstream traffic in a RPL DODAG. In a scenario where a DAG parent have dozens of children, dedicated timeslot will be infrequent and share timeslots suffer from contention. If a subset of these children have ongoing traffic, the parent can use the Frame Pending flag information to schedule temporary soft cells and avoid contention or speedup transfer. [cid:[email protected]] [cid:[email protected]] Michel Veillette System Architecture Director Trilliant Inc. Tel: 450-375-0556 ext. 237 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.trilliantinc.com<http://www.trilliantinc.com/> From: Qin Wang [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 1 juillet 2015 11:28 To: Nicola Accettura; Michel Veillette Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [6tisch] draft-dujovne-6tisch-on-the-fly-05 Hi Michel and Nicola, I think Michel's idea is interesting. But, according to my understanding, the Frame Pending setting just means there is frame following, does not mean that the current bandwidth provided by TSCH schedule, including hard cells and soft cells, is not enough to convey those frames, and then needs more bandwidth (e.g. additional soft cells) . Right? Do I miss something? Thanks Qin On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 4:03 AM, Nicola Accettura <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Michel, your proposal is very interesting. However, OTF does not allocate cells directly: it just computes the estimated number of cells to add or delete into the schedule, and then sends this information to 6top. 6top is then in charge of negotiating cells among neighbors, and meybe perform the scheme you are proposing. So, your proposal seems fitting more the 6top-to-6top communication. Am I missing something? What others think about? Sincerely Nicola 2015-06-30 8:13 GMT-07:00 Michel Veillette <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: Hi Diego It’s my first reading of the “6TiSCH On-the-Fly Scheduling” (and I’m not completely done yet) and I wandering if the concept of on the fly, in a single exchange, temporary allocation of a soft cell have already been discussed. For example, a node can use the Frame Pending subfield (IEEE 802.15.4-2006 section 7.2.1.1.3) to indicate the presence of packets ready to be transmitted. Based on that knowledge, the target may add an IE in an enhanced acknowledgment to allocate a temporary soft cell (e.g. single cell). Each subsequent transmission may further re-allocate a temporary soft cell. It’s important to note that the default delay for a TSCH Acknowledgment is 1ms (macTsTxAckDelay) which seem sufficient for the processing of this new IE. This scheme is very reactive and may help dealing with non-predictable communication patterns. What do you things? 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