I’ve literally never even seen your name before. 


> On Jan 25, 2024, at 3:45 PM, Michael Misch <michaelmisch1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is incredibly rude and tone-deaf. Your convictions aside, dismissing an 
> opinion like this is simply stonewalling, and quite frankly obliterated 
> whatever respect I may have started to develop for you.
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 08:44, Don Bailey <don.bai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it.
>> 
>> If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both as 
>> a user and a developer.
>> 
>> I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any 
>> interest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be.
>> 
>> D
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40 AM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
>>> I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I’d prefer 
>>> the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to only receive 
>>> patches through them.
>> 
>> Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a User?
>> 
>> Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real
>> bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would
>> "manage" something. for example  development and continuous hosting of
>> the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case.
>> 
>> I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the
>> foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last
>> few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via
>> email) received from them.
>> 
>> I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off"
>> is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result
>> the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server
>> resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and
>> community (that is willing to stay patches) alive.
>> 
>> It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely
>> contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate
>> with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community
>> members are able to contribute quite effectively.
>> 
>> To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay
>> alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own
>> team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool
>> kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with
>> blackjack and hookers. In my head.
>> 
>> Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. At least this is what
>> I have came here for, and have tried to take what caused awe in me and
>> keep them alive and infect others with all that. Maybe you can submit
>> another patch to sources some day soon.
>> 
>> hiro
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