On Mon, Jun 2, 2025 at 17:59 Frank D. Engel, Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:
> If someone dismisses rio due to a "lack of flair" they deserve to be > left in the dark. I can not agree. > > That said, in all fairness, rio does have some fairly serious > accessibility issues. Not everyone has the physical capacity to use a > mouse or trackball. > > > On 6/2/25 19:02, Ron Minnich wrote: > > Jacob, re-reading, all the work you have done is quite impressive, and > > I'd like to find a way to link something on p9f.org to it. Further, I > > will now go try it myself. But, wow, that's very nice stuff :-) > > > > Looking at all the work people have done, my feeling is that we're > > missing "the last meter", in the sense that we're very close, but > > people are still having trouble, even very capable people. > > > > I don't want to see things like this: > > " > > I cannot connect using the plan9port drawterm, that gives me > > '/net/localhost' doesn't exist. > > I tried drawterm -a localhost!1337 -c localhost!1337 -u glenda. > > There is a 9front drawterm, but I cannot compile it. It cannot find > > the wlroots headers, No package 'wlr-protocols' found, no idea what to > > install. > > The prebuilt binaries are only for Windows... again, I am stuck. > > 1:31 > > I'm putting it aside again, for "some other day", it's just a maze > > full of dead ends. > > " > > > > I want people to have an easy path in, after which they can learn > > about the cool stuff. > > > > While I understand that rio is *the* window manager, for now, every > > time I demo'd Plan 9 in google/LANL/Sandia, I came to dread the point > > at which I swept out that first rio window, and people immediately > > ratholed into how it looked. They did not care about the cool bits, > > they focused on its lack of flair. The talks generally ended at that > > point; none of the people I was presenting to were going to give that > > interface a second chance. It would be easier with lola. That > > interface will look dated, but still relevant; and its ability to do > > tabs, and the window decorations, are something people are always > > asking for. > > > > I have this picture in my head of a p9f.org web page, showing a > > desktop with lola, and a "try it in your web browser" button, and a > > "try it on qemu" button, and a "boot it on your laptop" button. > > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2025 at 2:15 PM sirjofri via 9fans <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> 02.06.2025 22:50:17 Paul Lalonde <[email protected]>: > >> > >>> Stanley writes: > >>> > >>> but how do we transmit deep knowledge of strange computing concepts > that experience teaches are rarely happily received (new users always know > better, and/or demand their favorite tools) without inducing the candidate > to read? > >>> > >>> I posit that it is easier for many users to engage with the > documentation, position papers, and other materials from a position in > which they have a working system in front of them on which to try out the > concepts that are being described in the papers. > >>> Read a bit, install a system, try a bit, read a bit more, try a bit > more, dig into some code, which magically is there and findable with the > 'src' command, which they just read about. > >> That's what I roughly had planned with my "serious guide to plan 9". > Turns out I'm not a writer, even though I enjoy it. > >> > >> Here's the rough outline I wrote many months ago. If I go back to that, > I should revise that. > https://shithub.us/sirjofri/sergui/64335a8573bd09fd01220bd1386d1754f4c14ed3/text/f.html > >> > >> sirjofri > > ------------------------------------------ > > 9fans: 9fans > > Permalink: > https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tbe8e5fda6ae62f5c-M632387559dd6bfbcd64cc2df > > Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tbe8e5fda6ae62f5c-M1d7831790cee0d9d098fe777 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
