I don't think that rc and the rio interface and all that are the be-all and end-all of interfaces. Neither are X11, Emacs, and bash. It's all a work in progress, all the time. There are features from each I miss on the other.

On Linux, I find myself trying to mouse into the middle of a window and type text; and of course there's all the other Plan 9 bits you don't get on Unix that you miss a lot. I pound the keyboard a lot. I go through a lot of keyboards. One advantage of buying clusters is you have lots of keyboards lying around.

I get really annoyed that up and down arrow act very differently than right and left arrow in acme. I get annoyed that acme is focus follows mouse, and rio is not (well, andrey built me a rio with focus follows mouse for linux, and I love it). On Plan 9, I still miss command history that spans instances of the shell. Sorry, that's not "Plan 9 PC", but it's my preference.

So, Rian, if there's stuff you find you miss on Plan 9, it may be you have not learned a "Plan 9" way to do things, or it may be that Plan 9 environment is lacking in some way. I think many of us take a guilty pleasure in ^F. I know I do. What else might we like from the unix world that we don't talk about? It would be interesting to see.

ron

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