On 2/26/07, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/26/07, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> plan 9 is having trouble keeping the converted. why would
> adding one more layer of goo to the gnu goo stack convert
> the hardened of heart?
Because the first thing that most people say when I show them rio is
'yuck'. And, in most cases, they don't stop saying 'yuck'.Acme does
not help.
Sorry, but most people hate the Plan 9 GUI. It is off-putting enough
that they are not that interested in seeing the beauty of it all.
It seems a shame to keep losing people because of one aspect of Plan
9. For me, anyway, rio is not the only piece of this system that is
important. In fact, for what i'm doing with it, rio does not matter at
all.
I realize there are many differences of opinion on this issue ...
thanks
ron
I'll just put in my 2 cents on the Plan 9 interface. A lot of it is
just plain brilliant--once you get used to it, the way rio handles
windows is quite nice. However, I sometimes wish for really basic
Unix-type stuff like focus-follows-mouse (very much a personal
preference, I know) and multiple desktops (no amount of hacking with
winwatch is going to replace those, for me). Acme is... acme. I love
it a lot of the time, but the lack of good, basic keyboard shortcuts
sometimes drives me insane. I'm not asking for emacs-style C-x C-c,
M-x foo-bar stuff, I'm just saying that things like ^N, ^P would be
really useful. This reminds me of the "smacme" discussion; I should go
look through that again.
Would implementing any of these changes attract/retain more users?
Probably not. That might require something more serious, like an
option that you can set to give MS-style titlebars with buttons, and a
taskbar type thing at the bottom (extended winwatch?). Of course, I do
not condone putting any such thing into Plan 9 without a guaranteed
option of turning it all off and using basic rio.
John
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