OK best to end this string, a lot of good and interesting input from everyone.  
What I do not see is
an answer to the original question.?

We seem to be discussing a subject that is indeed worthy of further debate so 
no harm in that, but
let's
discuss it under a different subject, my suggestion is "cross posting" LOL?

Meantime I am glad to welcome Tom to the List ... AND  ... hope that JIM is not 
suffering too much
pain from that poker ... but it can work wonders for your piles JIM ... LOL!

IMHO A1 is one of the best Lists going, no restrictions and freedom of comment, 
CJ is the best and
rarely interferes.

Toodle pip

Rupert

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