On Jun 12, 11:20 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > By the way, I greatly appreciate the discussion on faith. The term has > been problematic for me.... >
I honestly think it's a translation/formatting issue. You kinda speak Buddhist as far as how you see your mind. Faith is surrender. At what point do you ponder not? That's your faith. In meditation I notice faith as the psychic substance that encompasses my sense of self at the deepest levels. When you take action with your mind, I assume you can make it do what you want to some degree, the action or acting is faith. It's one of those koan/paradox words, to me. That's obtuse, but I tried. I can feel it right now, faith. It feels like it's laughing at me. At first my faith was a struggle to make myself "believe". That exertion, while not having a magical effect, did show me some mental muscles/physics I didn't know existed. It's like swinging a hammer, but it's both the hammer and the swinging. At some level I'd say we are made of faith. A Christian whole being rests on their faith in Jesus. That's why it's sometimes tough for them to look critically at their beliefs. Their ego is so attached and built to Christianity that it's like asking them to commit suicide to look with a suspicious eye. I'm trying to relate to you. IMO, you have faith in...being, nothing, presence. You have faith in goodness...probably other things. Those are what I place my faith in at least. > On Jun 12, 8:03 am, Deidzoeb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 11, 4:09 pm, Bridge <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jun 11, 8:14 am, Deidzoeb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 10, 2:40 pm, Brock Organ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Deidzoeb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Here on ACRD? I'm here to convince people that faith is an > > > > > > unreliable > > > > > > tool in the search for objective truths, and to hone and refine my > > > > > > arguments on that topic. > > > > > > I wonder if you might distinguish between "faith" and "faith in ...". > > > > > > Everyone has "faith", but fewer have the specific "faith in Jesus > > > > > Christ". So I would contend it is not "faith" that is an unreliable > > > > > tool in the search for objective truths, but rather the "faith in > > > > > <insert untenable principle here>". > > > > > I note your distinction, but I don't agree. > > > > Do you see how faith is somewhat exclusive from faith in something? > > > Maybe I don't get it. What would it mean to have faith that is not > > faith in something? > > > We're going to stumble around until we generally agree on a > > definition. I'm thinking of "faith" as trust or loyalty towards some > > person or group or idea. Religious faith might be stronger than being > > loyal to a friend or a school, but it still seems like a kind of trust > > or loyalty towards that particular religious tradition or idea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "A Civil Religious Debate" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/a-civil-religious-debate?hl=en.
