On Aug 31, 7:55 am, SM <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Bridge <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Aug 28, 9:22 am, SM <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So you were tracking me exactly opposite. > > > > So then what did you mean by: "I don't care what angel or saint or > > > deva or demon is supposed to be talking to me. I do take as an > > > experience the conversations I have with my psyche."? > > > > I took it to mean that you believe you're communicating with your psyche, > > > however, if what's really happening is that you're communicating with > > > demons, you care not. You're happy to view the experience the way you > > > please (presumably, so long as it satisfies whatever you're looking for), > > > regardless of whatever others might think is really going on. > > > > Which part of that understanding is "exactly opposite" of what you > > intended? > > > That's right. This, "I was tracking with you more when you were > > describing your mystical > > experiences as communication with angels and demons." was what I was > > referring to. > > > > Can God convert you if you don't want to be converted or *will* God > > > > > convert you if you don't want it? > > > > We're incapable of desiring to be reconciled to our Creator apart from > > the > > > initiation that the Spirit of God takes to draw us to him by opening our > > > mind/heart to the truth. Our will makes choices in accordance with what > > > we're convinced is best for us, so once the truth is revealed to us, our > > > response is inevitable. > > > Determinism? > > Not at all. The issue is not whether we have the power of choice (as I > said, we choose that which we're convinced is best for us), rather, the > issue is in what we desire. The motivation behind our choices. >
SM, if one cannot choose God without God "opening them" and once God opens them they will "inevitably" choose, it's determinism. > > > > To be in the Body of Christ and be forgiven for my sins. > > > > Which means *what* to you, exactly? > > > It means a lot. How much do I have to know? > > My question was not *how much*, but *what* does your statement mean to you? Is there a right answer?
