Shingly Beach ... I have a number of version of this on my home computer - can supply in ABC - multipart or arrangement ... and will post tonight - OK Jon McNamara > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 27 June 2001 05:36 > Subject: abcusers-digest V1 #512 > > This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet > Service. To view the original message content, open the attached > message. 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Does anybody know if such a > beast is out there??? > > And if not maybe some of the existing abc-tools could be > merges/enhanced/comtrolled to do a similar job - of course one would have > to > write the controlling style-code... > > Don't shoot me, I'm just thinking aloud on a quiet list. > - -- > Atte > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:51:15 +0200 > From: "Gianni Cunich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] MIDI cat ? > > On 25/06/01 at 18.24 Ronan KERYELL wrote: > > >>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:57:17 +0200, Bert Van Vreckem > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > Bert> You're abusing the X: field for something it isn't designed > > Bert> for. > > > >Sure. :-) > > > > Bert> In an abc file, an X: field marks the start of a new tune > > Bert> that is independent of the other tunes. To split up a tune in > > Bert> several parts, you should use the P: field. > > > >I do also inside of each X: tune. > > > > Bert> What is your rationale to use X: instead of P: to split a > single > > Bert> tune in different parts? > > > >You cannot specify a different title, source, author,... to the P: part. > > > >But what we play for example in Breton suites are a link of different > >tunes from various origins. abc2ps is OK with that but not abc2midi. > > > >I could also add an option to abc2midi to skip the tune separation... > > Hey, what about using T: fields in the tune body to specify different > titles? As far as the abc standard is concerned, thet's legal! And you > could use the A., C:, S:.. fileds in the header to pack the infos related > to the different tunes in the suite...something like this: > > X:1 > T:Suite > T:1 > T:2 > T:3 > C:1:composer, 2 Composer, 3 composer > M:**** > L*** > K*** > T:1 > body > T:2 > body > T:3 > body > > Not sure about what you could obtain from abc2midi, I've never tried > anything like this! Yet, as far as it follows the standard, it should be > able to give you one single midi file for a whole suite (set, medley... > call like you like it) of tunes. > > By the way, I actually share the belief you are abusing the P: field, > Ronan. To say better, I think you are abusing the P: field the wrong way! > ; -) > > The correct way to abuse the P: field, I dare say, is to use it in the > body of a tune followed by blanks... no need to use ! or ;, or anythung > else to force a line break, that's the natural line break character as far > as abc native software are concerned! Why the hell a P: field in the body > should cause a line break I don't know - it isn't stated in the standard, > and makes no sense at all, but i works! And it works even with ABC2WIN > 2.1.k (although not with the 2.1.i version. which should be the last > stable one)... considering abc2ps and all its clone offer an option to > ignore line ends, if only ABC2WIN could stop printing PART:... whenever a > P: field appears in the body, we would actually have solved most of our > problems! :-)) > > Gianni > > > > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:39:04 -0400 > From: Wil Macaulay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] Toward abc plugins ? > > - --------------B42C09EE72781E4A44E17DEF > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Skink is built in Java (runs on Solaris, Win NT and Mac OS/OS X, plus > anywhere=20 > else that a JDK supporting Swing are available).=20 > > I used javacc as the compiler-compiler, and found it pretty decent for > the=20 > task at hand. I implemented most of abc 1.6, then spent some time=20 > building a UI in Swing.=20 > > > Take a look - you can find it at=20 > http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/abc4mac.html > <http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/abc4mac.html> =20 > Ronan KERYELL wrote:=20 > > > I am thinking to few applications, generalizing the abc2abc concept, > that=20 > could benefit of a plugin mecanism in an abc engine.=20 > > This abc engine would ease the realization of such new tools by=20 > factorizing the parser, pretty-printer, abstract representation API,=20 > iterators,... That is what is used in the source to source compilers = > for > > exemple (for example http://cri.ensmp.fr/~pips/ > <http://cri.ensmp.fr/~pips/> I used to work on).=20 > > > Some examples of tools with a plugin concept :=20 > - - you want a new transposer. Just write an iterator on the notes and=20 > transpose ;=20 > - - you want a new harmonizer : iterate on each notes, generate a new > voice=20 > V: or add chords according to contextual notes and chords ;=20 > - - you want to change the measure : just iterate on each note, change = > the > > length. Adjust also the bar placement ;=20 > - - automatic bar placement or correction :=20 > - - "P:" unrolling : iterate on all the "P:" parts and unroll according = > to > > "P:" instructions. |: :| unrolling could be a variant ;=20 > - - you want to concatenate many "X:" tunes in only one to have a big = > tune > :=20 > just iterate on each "X:" and concatenate the voices "V:" ;=20 > - - you want to select a voice, a tune, remove chords : trivial ;=20 > - - you want a pretty-printer : well, just do nothing :-)=20 > ....=20 > > > Some of the applications above could be less than 10 lines of > programmation.=20 > > > The language I think first to implement this is Java. A new plugins > would=20 > be a new class that would be found in an ABC_CLASSPATH or on a plugin=20 > Internet repository (hum... Use the class loader security model to > reduce=20 > a new class of ABC viruses... :-) ) and loaded in the abc engine.=20 > > > The abtract representation could be easily be exported or imported to > DOM=20 > to have an XML portal to other tools.=20 > > > Has anybody already a Java abc parser ?=20 > I guess that a C parser with tools such as JFlex and JCup or B/YACC > could=20 > help...=20 > > > But this kind of tools could also be added to the current abc2abc in a=20 > static way...=20 > > > Any candidate ? :-)=20 > - --=20 > Ronan KERYELL |\/=20 > Labo Informatique T=E9l=E9com |/) Tel: (+33|0) 2.29.00.14.15=20 > ENST Bretagne, BP832 K Fax: (+33|0) 2.29.00.12.82=20 > 29285 BREST CEDEX |\ E-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 > FRANCE | \ > http://www-info.enst-bretagne.fr/~keryell > <http://www-info.enst-bretagne.fr/~keryell> =20 > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > <http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html>=20 > > > - --=20 > > Wil Macaulay email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =20 > > voice: +1-(905)-886-7818 xt2253 FAX: +1-(905)-886-7824 > > Syndesis Ltd. 28 Fulton Way Richmond Hill, Ont Canada L4B 1J5 > > "... pay no attention to the man behind the curtain ..." > =20 > > - --------------B42C09EE72781E4A44E17DEF > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> > <html> > Skink is built in Java (runs on Solaris, Win NT and Mac OS/OS X, plus > anywhere > <br>else that a JDK supporting Swing are available). > <p>I used javacc as the compiler-compiler, and found it pretty decent > for the > <br>task at hand. I implemented most of abc 1.6, then spent some > time > <br>building a UI in Swing. > <p>Take a look - you can find it at > <br><A > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/abc4mac.html";>http://www.geociti > es.com/w_macaulay/abc4mac.html</A> > <br>Ronan KERYELL wrote: > <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I am thinking to few applications, generalizing the > abc2abc concept, that > <br>could benefit of a plugin mecanism in an abc engine. > <p>This abc engine would ease the realization of such new tools by > <br>factorizing the parser, pretty-printer, abstract representation API, > <br>iterators,... That is what is used in the source to source compilers > for > <br>exemple (for example <a > href="http://cri.ensmp.fr/~pips/";>http://cri.ensmp.fr/~pips/</a> > I used to work on). > <p>Some examples of tools with a plugin concept : > <br>- you want a new transposer. Just write an iterator on the notes and > <br>transpose ; > <br>- you want a new harmonizer : iterate on each notes, generate a new > voice > <br>V: or add chords according to contextual notes and chords ; > <br>- you want to change the measure : just iterate on each note, change > the > <br>length. Adjust also the bar placement ; > <br>- automatic bar placement or correction : > <br>- "P:" unrolling : iterate on all the "P:" parts and unroll according > to > <br>"P:" instructions. |: :| unrolling could be a variant ; > <br>- you want to concatenate many "X:" tunes in only one to have a big > tune : > <br>just iterate on each "X:" and concatenate the voices "V:" ; > <br>- you want to select a voice, a tune, remove chords : trivial ; > <br>- you want a pretty-printer : well, just do nothing :-) > <br>... > <p>Some of the applications above could be less than 10 lines of > programmation. > <p>The language I think first to implement this is Java. A new plugins > would > <br>be a new class that would be found in an ABC_CLASSPATH or on a plugin > <br>Internet repository (hum... Use the class loader security model to > reduce > <br>a new class of ABC viruses... :-) ) and loaded in the abc engine. > <p>The abtract representation could be easily be exported or imported to > DOM > <br>to have an XML portal to other tools. > <p>Has anybody already a Java abc parser ? > <br>I guess that a C parser with tools such as JFlex and JCup or B/YACC > could > <br>help... > <p>But this kind of tools could also be added to the current abc2abc in > a > <br>static way... > <p>Any candidate ? :-) > <br>-- > <br> Ronan > KERYELL & > nbsp; > |\/ > <br> Labo Informatique Télécom > |/) > Tel: (+33|0) 2.29.00.14.15 > <br> ENST Bretagne, > BP832 > K Fax: (+33|0) 2.29.00.12.82 > <br> 29285 BREST > CEDEX > |\ E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <br> > FRANCE &n > bsp; > | \ <a > href="http://www-info.enst-bretagne.fr/~keryell";>http://www-info.enst-bret > agne.fr/~keryell</a> > <br>To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: <a > href="http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html";>http://www.tullochgorm.com/li > sts.html</a></blockquote> > > <pre>-- > Wil > Macaulay > &n > bsp; email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > voice: +1-(905)-886-7818 xt2253 > FAX: +1-(905)-886-7824 > Syndesis Ltd. 28 Fulton Way Richmond Hill, Ont Canada L4B 1J5 > "... pay no attention to the man behind the curtain ..."</pre> > </html> > > - --------------B42C09EE72781E4A44E17DEF-- > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:43:15 -0400 > From: Wil Macaulay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [abcusers] Announce: new version of Skink > > Version 0.9 of Skink supports multiple tune display and printing, > improved > layout and some performance improvements. It is available for any > platform that supports java JDK 1.1.6 or better. > > http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/abc4mac.html > > (note: gzip files for Unix/windows and .dmg.gz file for Mac OS X > are supplied; the version for Mac OS 9 has not yet been updated) > > > > - -- > Wil Macaulay email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > voice: +1-(905)-886-7818 xt2253 FAX: +1-(905)-886-7824 > Syndesis Ltd. 28 Fulton Way Richmond Hill, Ont Canada L4B 1J5 > "... pay no attention to the man behind the curtain ..." > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:14:09 +0100 > From: Phil Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] MIDI cat ? > > Gianni Cunich wrote: > > >The correct way to abuse the P: field, I dare say, is to use it in the > body of > >a tune followed by blanks... no need to use ! or ;, or anythung else to > force > >a line break, that's the natural line break character as far as abc > native > >software are concerned! Why the hell a P: field in the body should cause > a > >line break I don't know - it isn't stated in the standard, and makes no > sense > >at all, but i works! And it works even with ABC2WIN 2.1.k (although not > with > >the 2.1.i version. which should be the last stable one)... considering > abc2ps > >and all its clone offer an option to ignore line ends, if only ABC2WIN > could > >stop printing PART:... whenever a P: field appears in the body, we would > >actually have solved most of our problems! :-)) > > The P: field doesn't produce a line break in BarFly. You can have a P: > field in the middle of a line (the label goes on the next bar line). > > Phil Taylor > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 04:23:46 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software > > - --part1_d.16a1f46d.2869a092_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Laurie Griffiths said - > > >Muse uses ; to include fingering hints in ABC. > >i.e. a3;4 means play the a on the 4th string (probably > >at the 12th fret for guitar). > > Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English concertina > and > perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe. > > I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use it > for > their chosen instrument. > > Bryan Creer > > > > - --part1_d.16a1f46d.2869a092_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Laurie Griffiths said - > <BR> > <BR>>Muse uses ; to include fingering hints in ABC. > <BR>>i.e. a3;4 means play the a on the 4th string (probably > <BR>>at the 12th fret for guitar). > <BR> > <BR>Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English > concertina and > <BR>perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe. > <BR> > <BR>I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use > it for > <BR>their chosen instrument. > <BR> > <BR>Bryan Creer > <BR> > <BR></FONT></HTML> > > - --part1_d.16a1f46d.2869a092_boundary-- > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:47:32 +0200 > From: Simon Wascher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software > > Hello, > > I use w: lines to include extra information with the notes and I use the > guitar chord "" signs too ("pos.1" is about the position of the crank > and the numbers represent the fingers of the left hand 4=little > 1=index). To use "w:" for the fingering makes sense for my purpose > because normally there is a finger to every note. > > examlpe: > > X:1 > M:none > L:1/4 > K:C > "pos.1"ABcd | "pos.1"efga :| > w:4 3 2 1 4 3 2 1 > > Simon Wascher > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Laurie Griffiths said - > >> Muse uses ; to include fingering hints in ABC. > >> i.e. a3;4 means play the a on the 4th string (probably > >> at the 12th fret for guitar). > > > Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English concertina > and > > perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe. > > I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use it > for > > their chosen instrument. > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:01:53 +0200 > From: Bert Van Vreckem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] MIDI cat ? > > Phil Taylor wrote: > > > The P: field doesn't produce a line break in BarFly. You can have a P: > > field in the middle of a line (the label goes on the next bar line). > > > Ha, there's something I hate in abc2ps and the likes. In addition to the > fact that there's too much space between parts to my taste (gonna have > to check out these format file thingies, I presume), the part label is > rendered quite like a subtitle (instead of, well, a label above the > staff -- a box around it could distinguish between chords and part > labels), changing meter type and key sig aren't announced at the end of > the previous line. > > I could scan some tunes I have to support my case, if someone's > interested at all... > > Unfortunately, Phil, I haven't got a Mac, nor time to tweak abc*ps to > make it do wat I want... > > - -- > bert van vreckem > > If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... > Oh wait! He does! > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:48:51 +0200 > From: Frank Nordberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] band in a abc-box > > Atte Andr� Jensen wrote: > > > > Just noodled around with my old band-in-a-box, and searched the web for > some > > clones running under Linux, but without luck. Does anybody know if such > a > > beast is out there??? > > > > And if not maybe some of the existing abc-tools could be > > merges/enhanced/comtrolled to do a similar job - of course one would > have to > > write the controlling style-code... > > You mean a Band-in-a-box style ABC application? > A fascinating idea. Actually I aired it myself here at abcusers a year > or two ago, but despite some positive response, nothing really happened. > Maybe because a lot of people didn't really get what it was about? > > Band-in-a-box is a really cute program that makes a complete ensemble > arrangement based on a chord progression, an (optional) tune and a > couple of "style" parameters. > There already are a couple of ABC based rudimentary arrangement tools > out there, but it's definitely an area worth further investigation. > > How about starting with a simple bass line generator, I mean something > that could turn > > X:1 > T:Example > M:C > L:1/4 > K:C > "C"CDEF|"C"G2G2|"F"AAAA|"C"G4| > "G7"FFFF|"C"E2E2|"G7"DDDD|"C"C4|] > > into: > > X:1 > T:Example > M:C > L:1/4 > K:C > V:1 > "C"CDEF|"C"G2G2|"F"AAAA|"C"G4| > "G7"FFFF|"C"E2E2|"G7"DDDD|"C"C4|] > V:2 > C,4|C,4|F,4|C,4| > G,4|C,4|G,4|C,4|] > > Actually, I think some minor modifications of Anselm Lingnau's and > Robert Bley-Vroman's chord extractor (found at > http://www.musicaviva.com/software/macabc2chord.txt ) would do that > simple job, but this is just the start of course. > > Frank Nordberg > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:01:57 +0200 > From: Anselm Lingnau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software > > Bryan Creer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English concertina > and > > perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe. > > > > I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use it > for > > their chosen instrument. > > That's right, but then when you receive an ABC file you need a way to > figure out whether the numerals are meant as guitar fingering, > concertina cross fingering or breath strength on the Nepalese nose > trombone -- preferably before you get yourself in a big knot. We would > probably need to put in a header saying > > %%fingering concertina > > or some such, and software might have the option of including the > fingering only if it was desired. Personally while I can see the merit > of providing guitar or concertina fingering in principle, as a pianist I > don't have a use for it and it would only clutter up my sheet music. > > Anselm > - -- > Anselm Lingnau .......................................... > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The road to wisdom/Well, it's plain/And simple to express:/Err/And err/And > err > again/But less/and less/and less. -- Piet > Hein > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:56:32 +0200 > From: Simon Wascher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software > > Hello, > > Anselm Lingnau wrote: > > > > Bryan Creer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English > concertina and > > > perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe. > > > I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use > it for > > > their chosen instrument. > > That's right, but then when you receive an ABC file you need a way to > > figure out (...) We would > > probably need to put in a header saying > > %%fingering concertina > > or some such, and software might have the option of including the > > fingering only if it was desired. (...) > > Why changing the standards for every personal need every time! there are > really good tools within the actual standards to express all those > things. Just to mention the "N:" field where one can include all kinds > of usefull and other info about the tune or the weather at transcribing > time, the "P:" field which if not used in the header for playing order > is just a string of text above a line of music, the "%" character which > excludes text from being recognized by abc-programs so again can be used > to add whatever one wants to write down. > In abc2ps a text or block of text can be added using "%%text" and > "%%begintext" plus "%%endtext". > In fact if one really needs to get all info into the printed music or > just a good looking screen display simpy use abc2ps and (and a .ps > viewer and maybe a .fmt file) or something alike. > If it is just to get the info ino the abc-file use "N:" or "P:" or "W:" > or "w:" or "Guitarchords" or simlpy "%". > > I hope this was not to mercyless, I still look foreward to every usefull > addition to the standards. > > Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:24:27 +0100 (BST) > From: Richard Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Simon Wascher wrote: > > > Anselm Lingnau wrote: > > > > > That's right, but then when you receive an ABC file you need a way to > > > figure out (...) We would > > > probably need to put in a header saying > > > %%fingering concertina > > > or some such, and software might have the option of including the > > > fingering only if it was desired. (...) > > > > Why changing the standards for every personal need every time! there are > > really good tools within the actual standards to express all those > > things. Just to mention the "N:" field where one can include all kinds > > of usefull and other info about the tune or the weather at transcribing > > time, the "P:" field which if not used in the header for playing order > > is just a string of text above a line of music, the "%" character which > > excludes text from being recognized by abc-programs so again can be used > > to add whatever one wants to write down. > > In abc2ps a text or block of text can be added using "%%text" and > > "%%begintext" plus "%%endtext". > > In fact if one really needs to get all info into the printed music or > > just a good looking screen display simpy use abc2ps and (and a .ps > > viewer and maybe a .fmt file) or something alike. > > If it is just to get the info ino the abc-file use "N:" or "P:" or "W:" > > or "w:" or "Guitarchords" or simlpy "%". > > Or just write it as text, in the file; but then people who use 'easy' gui > abc programs won't see them / more stress on the developers to cope with > this. > > But, if "%%fingering concertina" is intended to cause the software to do > something ... well, if anything's a 'de facto standard', I'd say it's the > use of the "%%" to indicate not-generally-supported extensions. And a > jolly good thing it is too. I wonder whether at some time in the future we > are going to find ourselves needing to formalise this namespace too, > though. > > > I hope this was not to mercyless, I still look foreward to every usefull > > addition to the standards. > > Hear hear. > > - -- > Richard Robinson > "The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:04:23 +0100 > From: "Laurie Griffiths" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0FE27.6072F4A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Which of course means that we need a header somewhere to say "This is = > guitar" (or English concertina, oboe or whatever) or else some people = > will be trying thoroughly bizarre fingerings and wondering why they = > don't work! > L. > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software > > > Laurie Griffiths said -=20 > > >Muse uses ; to include fingering hints in ABC.=20 > >i.e. a3;4 means play the a on the 4th string (probably=20 > >at the 12th fret for guitar).=20 > > Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English = > concertina and=20 > perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe.=20 > > I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use = > it for=20 > their chosen instrument.=20 > > Bryan Creer=20 > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0FE27.6072F4A0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HTML><HEAD> > <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR> > <STYLE></STYLE> > </HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Which of course means that we need a = > header=20 > somewhere to say "This is guitar" (or English concertina, oboe or = > whatever) or=20 > else some people will be trying thoroughly bizarre fingerings and = > wondering why=20 > they don't work!</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>L.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <BLOCKQUOTE=20 > style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = > 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> > <DIV=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = > black"><B>From:</B>=20 > <A href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"=20 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> </DIV> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 > href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"=20 > = > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> = > </DIV> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 26, 2001 = > 9:23=20 > AM</DIV> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [abcusers] abc = > compliant=20 > software</DIV> > <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Laurie = > Griffiths said -=20 > <BR><BR>>Muse uses ; to include fingering hints in ABC. = > <BR>>i.e. a3;4=20 > means play the a on the 4th string (probably <BR>>at the 12th fret = > for=20 > guitar). <BR><BR>Great idea. I might use this for cross = > fingering on=20 > English concertina and <BR>perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked = > F on=20 > the oboe. <BR><BR>I expect lots of other people could come up with = > ideas for=20 > how to use it for <BR>their chosen instrument. <BR><BR>Bryan Creer=20 > <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML> > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0FE27.6072F4A0-- > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:42:30 +0200 > From: "Hartmut Wiechern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [abcusers] Search for tune: Shingly Beach > > Hello > > I'm searching for the tune "Shingly Beach", I didn't find it on John's > tunefinder. Does anybody know where to find (in abc)? > > Hartmut > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:46:47 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [abcusers] Help! > > Please, I unsubscibed from this group months ago. Help me get off of it, > please! > Sandee > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > ------------------------------ > > End of abcusers-digest V1 #512 > ****************************** > > << File: message.txt >> To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
